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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:38 pm    Post subject: Fire The Grid - 7/17/07 Reply with quote

I came across this at www.firethegrid.com

Basically it's a call for anyone interested to meditate and boost planet Earth and the entire Wild Kingdom at a designated hour on 7/17/07. Noone needs to meet anywhere or log on any chat-- it's a call for everyone from the quiet of thier home , car or workplace to send love energy, boosts , prayers for Earth for one hour -- all at the same time, according to time zone.

For those in the GMT time zone, they can start at 11:11 am. For those in the Eastern time zone, (like Pennsylvania) it starts at 7:11 am.


Rather than explain how this all came about-- please check out the www.firegrid.com website.

At any rate, it's a good way to practice boosting, and I have a hunch this is genuine.


Sensie, if this is okay to post this at Warrior Matrix over in the Boosting section, I will--

Lisa
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Lisa,

It seems to me a good opportunity for practicing discernment. This doesn't mean we have to come up with the one right answer, but that it's an ongoing process with each person, and we live and learn.

About this Fire the Grid thing - you always have to wonder why these things come to public attention and capture the interest of so many people. Most of the Luciferic newage influences seem well-intentioned and good hearted - who can object to meditation for peace, after all? That's the invitation to look past that warm, fuzzy exterior.

Lucifer is one of the dark forces, but he appears as *light.* He enlightens. Hard to object to that, right? But he has no balance, no grounding in the earth. He's all cosmic, all light and oneness. He wants us to dissociate from earthy reality, and again, the earth really can look like a sewer, so why not accept the invitation to escape?!

The reason why not is because the evolution of consciousness is a path that goes through the earth - we have to go down to the darkness and confront our deepest fears down there, before we can rise up to enlightnment with our freedom intact.

The false promise of mysticism is that we can skip that part and just ascend to cosmic heights, be all peace and love and oneness, without doing the hard work of liberating the soul - liberating the "man in the trap" as Elsworth Baker's book on Reich is called.

Liberation requires going into the darkness and coming up with Truth and consciousness, not avoiding darkness. But the newage movement, environmental mvt, and all the spinoffs, capture our attachment to a false notion of peace and love.

What comes out of that is a sentimental kind of love that doesn't want any creature hurt, not a mature kind of love that knows that death is necessary for life. It's very tempting because it gives people a sense of connection and answers that "cosmic longing" that we all have.

But when we accept the shortcut, we lose our individuality. We lose ourselves in cosmic oneness. That's not freedom, but slavery.

So we have the satanic forces on the one hand tempting us with the trap of dense materialsm, so we run to the light and airy Lucifer to get away from that, not realizing that they're 2 sides of the same coin.

The process of spiritual evolution is individual, and the point I think is for each of us to practice our own discernment of the truth, without self-righteousness. It doesn't matter if someone doesn't see the same thing as I do.

I have no idea what the other person might need for their spiritual development, or what stage they're at and what they need to learn at this time. There's a reason why people become interested in certain things at certain times.

And I think it's not so important to agree on what's true and what isn't - we're in the process of getting to the next step, whatever that is for each of us. There can be many dark delusions along the way, including the one about it being our job to save the world.

Some people may need a lot more experience and personal involvemnt with the newage movement in order to understand its energy better. There may be a higher spiritual purpose being served, and there is no moral right and wrong, but a healthy knowing of right from wrong that comes from Truth. BIG difference between the stern, righteous energy of the false ego, vs. the totally unattached correctness of Truth. We need a lot of experience "in the field" to learn the difference.

Of course on a human level, we don't say that disease and adversity is wonderful, but in a higher sense, there is nothing "bad" about darkness. If we use everything to look to the deeper purpose, I'd say it's a "good" use of time Smile.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Karen

I think Lisa is a big girl and will have to decide for herself without nobody's help.

I have not read the complete article on this fire the grid thing but it is open to debate and an individual decision on whether to agree or not. If it smacks of New Age and all then I can see why christians can get their shorts in a knot. Like the truth of Jesus being married not once but several times and having a family. If he was a Rabbi and according to Rabbinic law a man can not be a Rabbi unless he is married.

When I see people that use the statement use discernment I don't know if this is from being programed and indoctrinated with the bible and christian dogma or if it is a genuine plea for a person to be cautious in separating the wheat from the chaff (Truth from non-truth). I have concluded that christianity is a Fruad. It does not mean I am unkind toward people or have a hateful attitude it just means I am attempting to separate truth from non-truth. But to me this makes sense but to others maybe not until they have that spark in them to search for the truth themselves.

So I have concluded christianity and the bible and jesus christ is a fraud but since it is man made god created for the masses courtesy of Flavius Constantine at the council nicea in 325 ad since the presbyters (Public Orators as a livlihood) were preaching their version of their own favorite gods exploits and begin fighting amost themselfs and this made Flavius Constantine nervous about the stability of his empire.

Normally Caesars had the power to deify anyone they chose usually their heirs and they did it often. In Flavius Constantines case his distant ancestors were Yeshua Ben Panthera (AKA Rabbi Jesus a more spiritual and gentle human) and his twin brother Judas Khrestus (an illegtmate son of Caesar Tiberius and a perfect military messiah to claim the throne by force) a rebel with many of his disciples or Galilean Zelots who hated Roman rule and were always looking for a military Messiah. But many of the rebels including their wanabe messiahs were crucified untill their flesh rotted along the road to warn people against insurection against Rome is a Crime punishable by death by crucifixtion. So Caesar Flavius Constantine calls all the presbyters together to decide on a single god and vote on it. But the problem with this many of these presbyters were mean sprited and got into fist fights and were violent toward each other. Caesar Flavius Constantine and his adviser Eusebius saw this was not going anywhere since the presbyters could not agree in unity on a single god for all the presbyters to Orate to the massses as a livlihood. The Biscops or Bishops were the more successfull Orators and did well as a business in telling the dumb down people fairy tales. Which we have the same going ons in the Pulpit of all churches in our present time telling people fairy tales. So because the presbyters failed to agree on a unifying god Caesar Flavius Constantine picks a god for them since it was his right per Roman Law to deify someone he chooses. So he chooses both his decendants Yeshua Ben Panthera and Judas Khrestus to both be the singular God of the presbyters and new the Religion of the State which he joined the two together into Jesus Christ by royal decree. After he decreed this he told all the presbyters to turn a copy of your material over to Eusebius. He told the presbyters to burn their orginals and warned if any man found to have an orginal off with his head will be their punishment. Caesar Flavius Constantine instructs Eusebius to take all the text of the presbyters in order to create the new testimonies of this new God Jesus Christ and said astonish them. Of course the New Roman Testimonies has been modified over time. Due to the variant beliefs of the Westerners and Easterners they has to find someway to incorporate their various gods to make the new God Jesus Christ more palatable to them by borrowing from their stories like Krishna and other gods. Since Flavius Constantine wanted stability within his empire where the state religion of Jesus Christ makes everybody happy. What most people dont understand about Caesar Flavius Constantine is that he was British of ancient Britain that was once a part of the Roman Empire before the break up. Just a little Truth of whether you want to believe it our not that is up to you.

Don't get me wrong if christians can practice what they preach and love and care about people is ok by me. I had fond memories of christians whom I were friends with and loved being around. But sadly the christian empire (Whether it be Roman or Protestant) is a total joke and no different from the Roman empire.

I myself have been searching for truth. I have been reading Theosophy of Helena Petrovna Blavatsky such as Isis (Nature in general) Unveiled, the Secret Doctrine and other authors who are Elucidating her teaching that is making it a little clear since it is difficult to understand if you don't understand the basics or the underlying principals of what she is teaching. Basically and as I am reading it I look for things that tell me I am on the right track and know deep down this makes sense to me. But when I was a christian at one point I avoided her like the plague since I was not ready.

Although the early bibles were entirely different from todays bibles since most did not contain the virgin birth (immaculate conception another deep mystery that is valid in the mysteries) or resurection stuff also from the mystery schools. The King James however is immersed in some mystery school stuff if you dont know what some of these mean like Jesus fasting for 40 days and 40 nights and then being tempted by the devil. What it means is mystery school talk. It is an earlier Egyptian iniation rite or test of if one is able to control ones passions. He was lead by a guide into a remote area and fasted for 40 days and 40 nights but durring this time he had to keep his mind occupied with studying due to being weakened by fasting. Next he was led into a chamber of naked perfumed women trying to seduced him into having sex. If you even touch any of the women they immeaditly told you to leave and you lost your opportunity to have divine secrets revealed to you.

Of course I know what this is all about the so called secrets of the so called mystery schools but to truely know them you have to experiance them. Probably simlar to Astral Projection, OBE or mystic NDE Generally to meet the gods or the higher beings and to know their is life after death but they have also met the Interdiamensionals which alarmed them greatly which are very unfriendly beings they beliveved their functions were to mislead humans in the wrong direction. But the dangerous one is merging with your higher divine self only if you are pure in heart and character enough due to you proving yourself through some hellish iniations from one test to another. Since it is dangerous to do this thing it you are not of a pure heart. The mind of an impure heart can not behold the real inner divinity that we all possess the divine impersonal eternal individual that does not change only the personality (the pilgrim or child of the divne individual) changes from life to life. So if the merging with your inner god is successfull you get to clamed the prize of knowing the divine mystery hidden from most or not and loose your mind or die. This is a bit extreme for most people but a kind of accellerated Evolution. Which we at the present are going about it the slow way( probably 155 trillion years to go or less) and going from darkness into light (Higer Conciouness)

Karen we are already at the bottom of the barrel and it is dark and we are on the way back to the One ineffable thing we all came from and in spiritual essence we are all one and the same thing we are all living at the present as individual consciousness in many cases we are living lives in other realms that is our projected copies of our consciousness. Man simply can not understand the Unknowable ineffable Deity (or it is simply nothing) so he has created a pelthora of gods like you had in the Roman Empire and latter as the Roman churches Saints (christian gods). The gods do exist just like we exist and the lower kingdoms such as the animals look at us like we are gods. Nor do I worship these gods since it is forbidden since they are in one sense are higher brethren who also in a Kosmos of long ago uniquley theirs also lived the hurtful and painfull life we are curently experiencing as humans due to our separatness and believeing the Illusion. We have lost our center and put the I on the throne rather then the divine individual that lies within each one of us. I am going to say it we are too materalistic and are seduced by the physical. We are here for reason but it has got the best of us at the moment since objective existence is part of our evolution but we are drunk on this sentient life in the material world and have forgoten our center of being and need to look within. This is not are permanent home since we will all or most move on into higher realms and become like the gods relatively speaking perform the work they are performing now. Of course this will not happen overnight but close to 155 trillion years or so and sooner for others on the path. At one time we did have celestial teachers try to teach man things that were good for him to Know and the right way to live. Of course man is just a form in his evolution and for his experiance into the higher realms not as man but something more noble and that has purposes.I am no way perfect and don't claim to have the answers. But this is what I now know Karen and believe to be true and christians will not convince me otherwise.

I wish to be at peace with everybody but due to my beliefs it will not be an easy life but a rough ride instead ask HPB if it has been an easy ride. In this present world what I see is nothing but deceit and hypocrisy. Over time the traveling pilgrims will eventually leave this realm into higher realms of Evolution of new Humans and from their more higher kingdoms that never end. This endless process of life is unceasing a new batch of humans to come to face their problems, pain, sorrow and redemption in the next Kosmos of manifestation. All the kingdom are in constant motion of never ceasing. We were not created but are of the emanted essence of the Unknowable Ineffable One responsible for all life.

So don't take this the wrong way Karren you are entitled to your own oppions as I am to my own and we can become just friends having a friendly dicussion is all. and nothing to get our shorts in a knot over Very Happy

Doug
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Doug,

I appreciate your reasoned way of expressing your views Smile. I'm not interested in controlling or changing anyone's views, just sharing where my energy seems to want to go. My post to Lisa was just about exploring some thoughts on the Fire the Grid thing.

I'll say on the subject of beliefs, that belief is a position we take before we know the truth directly. (And then once the truth is known, it needs no defense, because there's no attachment to it, so there's no emotional charge around it.

There's nothing wrong with beliefs, and we all have them.. But when we become attached to a belief, then it doesn't matter how accurate it might actually be, but the fact that we're attached to it is a delusion that will ultimately have to be let go as we evolve.

For example, if someone tells me that orgonite is great, and I don't really know that but I believe them because of the power of their authority, then I can develop a belief system around orgonite. I might do a lot of "good" things but I don't have truth - I have belief which is false, and I will have to let go of the belief in order to come to know truth directly.

This is where most of us are, choosing a "new and improved" belief system over an old one, which may be somewhat more enlightened but we're still stuck in our attachments to belief.

Then it becomes a matter of "all beliefs are equal", and we do the politically correct dance of being tolerant of all opinions as equally valid. What I'm saying is that everyone has to work through their own struggle, and no one can hand someone else the truth on a silver platter. Dr.Hahnemann in the 19th century said, "the truth doesn't just fly into one's mouth like roasted pigeons." Smile

Even in the most articulate article that spells out the FACTS, that doesn't impart any truth to anyone. Truth is a creative act that we each have to develop inside ourselves.

So although all opinions are fair and there is no moral judgment to be made (although moral judgment is the M.O. of popular culture!), we're still looking for the objective truth.

The problem is that objectivity doesn't lie in the physical world of sense perception, but in the etheric realms which are a challenge for most of us to perceive reliably. The newage mvt acknowledges the etheric, but it's still just a matter of subjective experience. I think we need a spiritual science as Rudolf Steiner went a long way to develop, that can look at things objectively without limiting objectivity to the material realm as "hard" science insists on doing.

About where we're at in darkness - I agree, we're at the depths. But most people are at the depths of being captured by the dark forces, not at the depths in freedom. In freedom, we can go down there to get grounded in that lower pole of our being - this is what Reich is all about in his character analysis. He called the person who is fully grounded in their life energy a genital character type. It's not necessarily about sexuality per se, but it's the full spectrum of creative energy that includes it. Most people are not grounded in this energy properly. And then when they try to reunite with spirit, it's like they're missing part of themselves.

It's like when you're a kid going away from home for the first time, you want to develop your sense of self before coming home again - otherwise if you come home to the same parent/child relationship, you kind of get swallowed up by it and you lose yourself. It's not healthy. Or if you fell in with a bad crowd and escaped by coming home, you wouldn't really be any healthier within yourself. There is a process of inner development that goes beyond merging into that oneness of coming home.

There's always more to say Smile, but this was just a few thoughts for now on what you wrote.

Take care,
Karen
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Karen

Thanks for your answers. You have a special way of expressing yourself that is uniquely you. Very Happy

In my case most of my life I been living in a box knowing their is more to life then all the indocrination, religious dogma, and culture I was brought up telling me this is the way it is and has always been. That this is the Truth.

When I incarnated into this world I had that spark to know what the truth is. At first it was barely noticable but I had an inquisItive mind going for me. As I advanced in my age the hunger become so strong that I dared to explore the posiblity that christianity is a lie. There were various things that started me on the road such as 911 , chemtrails , learning about Orgone after I read all the Don and Carol Croft adventures and was amased at Carols Pyschic ability. I have studied and seen other things during my life that did not makes sense and at times came in conflict with christianity such as it being of the Devil or Lucifer (The light bearer entirely different subject matter then the devil) is an old Vatician or church trick to suppress knowledge and control what people thought and while at the same time the Roman churches were practicing and dabbling in Black Magic and Sorcery (selfish use of natures secrets(since most these secrets were stolen from those who know these secret through betrayal but same old nonsense today via FDA , National Security Act, Patent Office and so forth) for personal gain) for their own benefit or self enrichment.

I decided there is more to life and I am going to have to take the leap into the Unknown and discover why I am here. I have a good ideal now but it is still an on going search for truth. In the end it is not really about me but the other person. I some how will have to learn how to kill the personality and allow the inner divine one with in me to take charge. No longer thinking about myself that is become impersonal which is truely living. But how to accoplish this task is difficult and matter of self sacrifice on my part in each life I live but it will set me on the true Path that leads to the Pearl of Great Price.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Doug,

Thanks for that beautiful message. What you say really speaks to the heart of spiritual development - not clinging to being right; not clinging to the form of something but honoring that deep desire of the higher self for the truth even when it's the most uncomfortable, scary and threatening thing that the false ego could imagine!

That's exctly why it's such a struggle, because the false ego puts up such resistance - it knows its days are numbered! So as we advance, the false ego and dark forces fight for their lives even harder, which can seem like a regression, and then we get depressed and think that we're losing the battle.

But it's just that the stakes are higher, and the false ego can be staggeringly powerful - the power we've invested in it. I know this from personal experience, hehe. I'm a tough nut to crack, and it's not easy to let go into life. But being actively in the process, there are so many rewards along the way.

And then there are those hellish moments when you lose perspective, those places where the darkness is all you know. Then the larger forces of evolution move you along anyway, and the sun comes up the next morning and you take it from there.

I started rebelling against the status quo at an early age, and for decades explored "alternative" culture, eastern mysticism and philosophy. I substituted one belief system for another, on and on. Only later in life did I move away from all that and allowed myself to free fall into a place of chaos of no belief. It turned out to be a very creative place, and from there, the things that I deeply desired to study came into my life.

Before, the false desire was based on aversion to what I saw around me - I knew how I didn't want to live, but I started to see that living in truth was more than rebelling against something. But I had to go through all that personal experience before I was ready to discover my higher self's desire. And then, it didn't come in the form I expected!

So I applaud you in your leap into the unknown - safety gear is included in the deal, when it's the right time. The trap for many people can be the belief that being impersonal means shutting down emotionally, and that's a big mistake. Reich talked about the "silent observer" who is detached and uninvolved - but you can only get to that place when you can deeply engage emotionally.

You penetrate deeply into an experience - and that's the Biblical sense of "knowing" something - it's a real penetration of your being into the being of the other person or other idea. But people tend to want to avoid the mess Smile, and just stand outside and observe from a comfortable distance.

The intellect thinks it's either that, or else get all bent out of shape emotionally. This is why we need to work on ourselves to get healthy - it's not just a matter of throwing orgonite and keeping bad guys out there at bay, but this kind of deep inner work to transform ourselves. I think that transforming fear and false belief might be more powerful than anything that goes on in the universe.

But I don't think that self-sacrifice is the thing to strive for, because most of us are caught in Ahrimanic moralism - we may have learned how not to kowtow to outer authority, but we do the same thing internally, by adhering to rigid rules we've set for ourselves.

That includes a lot of do-goodism and false altruism. The newage mvt is full of "service", with a hidden agenda that service is somehow morally superior and we should be good people and adopt a stance of giving.

Well, maybe you were referring to letting go of the false ego, and that's what I'm talking about too - True giving happens naturally for the higher self, but it's only the false ego that has this distinction between what's good for me and what's good for you.

The false ego thinks that selfishness and selflessness are mutually exclusive, so we should be saints Rolling Eyes. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not exactly cut out for that. Wink

Luckily, the higher self knows that what's good for me is going to be good for everyone - even when it doesn't appear all sweetness and light on the surface. It's like the good parent knows that the child can't always get what he wants but sometimes has to suffer in the process of learning to be self-sufficient, and that's okay. And knows that unhealthy self-sacrifice doesn't really do anyone any favors. (I come from a family of martyrs, so I know this one pretty well!)

I'm learning that by following my higher desires, discovering what truly resonates instead of what might be shiny and attractive but false, I don't need to deny anything. It means I don't always choose the ice cream (or the equivalent), but am making more room in my consciousness for the treasure I really want. There's a lot of trial and error, heavy on the error!

So I would say the path to truth has to be very personal. Not in a codependent self-absorbed way. But that the messy emotions can't be denied. The more we destroy the entities within ourselves that don't belong there, we redeem our soul that was trapped, and those higher connections begin to function more properly. If we try to impose a sense of do-goodism or moral superiority, it's false and just adds to the armoring we have to work through.

Thanks for listening - I sometimes free associate way beyond the topic, but it's been fun talking and I appreciate your thoughts.

Cheers,
Karen
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Karen , Doug-- I do actually appreciate both of your posts.

Karen, thanks for your insight on this, because I don't always have that discernment at times.


What I'm going to do tomorrow at 7:17 am, is just simply pray and boost the heck out of this planet- and ask God to give me His Love, so I can do it through Him and not through my own self love. That way I can't get a big head or pat myself on the back. Any Love energy will be originated from His Spirit in me.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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