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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:33 pm    Post subject: 5th Amendment Signed Away By Bush Reply with quote

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html

You can have all assets seized if you are against the war. Of course only terrorist will be targeted. But remember who decides if you are a terrorist, not the courts.

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/19/1551242

By executive order, the Secretary of the Treasury may now seize the property of any person who undermines efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq. The Secretary may make his determination in secret and after the fact."

The remarks on slashdot.org are heated, both for and against.

They would never use this again citizens, right? LOL

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Roy

Yep no more Protesting about the Iraq War or any Future War for that matter. In Reality War is Self enrichment of all the Wealth of the Earth for the Elite but they wish to Destroy all the useless eaters in Cold Blooded Murder and steal what other ever wealth (Gold, Silver and minerals) the usless eaters might of had for themselfs. The chrisitians are the biggest contributors of world genocide in wholesale cold blooded murder such as the likes of Radicals such as Rev John Hagee (Wack Nut of all time and their are many radical and dangerous christian wack nuts waiting to step up to the Jesus Plate and sound the trumpet for Jesus to come back and clean house that is murder the rest of us in cold blood that disagree with them the Insane Asylum nut jobs) are demanding the Bush Goverment kill all those demons (Innocent Iranian People) by nuking them in the name of Jesus Christ (A created God Fraud by Flavius Constantine who deified his two Human descendants (Judas Khrestus and Yeshu Ben Panthera or Rabbi Jesus at the council of Nicea in 325 AD to stabilize his empire to a unified state religion check Tony Bushby's "The Twin Deception" ) and Gods choosen people Israel.

Of course that is what they want you to believe if you dare protest the War and as a result they punish you by seizing your bank Accounts like the IRS can do at will without a warrant since they do it all the time. A bank robber has it hard these days since he has to do it the Hard way or get killed by gunfire since his chance of success is pretty low and he will be doing hard time but the IRS just tell the banks to turn over the money because we the Thief's say so err we the IRS say so.

Of course it don't apply to me technically. Look at the Definition of Person.
Words of Art is a word that is very limited in its use and is defined only for a particular subject matter or what Sec 3 says For purposes of this order. You can't use your favorite dictionary to define person for it is moot.

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Sec. 3. For purposes of this order:

(a) the term "person" means an individual or entity; (Circular definition still does not define what these idiots that wrote the code are talking about.)

(b) the term "entity" means a partnership, association, trust, joint venture, corporation, group, subgroup, or other organization; and (A person is nothing but a coporation period since it is not refering to a human being)

(c) the term "United States person" means any United States citizen, permanent resident alien, entity organized under the laws of the United States or any jurisdiction within the United States (including foreign branches), or any person in the United States. United States under admirality is the Federal Jurisdiction. There are two Jurisdictions the admirality (Courts of Gold Fringed miltary flags in all state and federal courts) Federal and the United Sates of America (Made up of Sovereign Human Beings who are the 4th branch of Government who are orginally suposed to be the ones keeping our government honest and never ever trust our government to ever do the right thing).


If they are refering to me as a human being or other fellow human beings.
Then it should read:

a) the term "person" means a Living Breathing Sovereign Human Being. Then they are talking about Human Beings in Law if it was defined that way but since it is not you can not assume you are that person. Look at the series they all mean corporation using different words to describe different corporation types.

The code with its definition is vague since it does not specify Human Beings so I don't know what the hell they are talking about Coporation or Human Beings very confusing.

This is not BS it must be clearly defined otherwise it will be challenged as vague and ambiguous for proper jurisprudence. Presisdential Excutive Orders are unconstituitional on its face and treasonous since he swore an oath to uphold the US Constitution. Which we all know has been invalidated due to America being Bankrupt. No Gold to back up the Fiat money. Think of it you walk into a store buy a mp3 player with a lot of worthless paper (Assuming you paid in cash other then a debt or credit card) now owned by the company that sold you the itiem of real worth in one sense. But the poor guy when the enconomy goes south will have nothing but worthless paper since he can't redeem it for Gold.

You Said --> By executive order, the Secretary of the Treasury may now seize the property of any person who undermines efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq. The Secretary may make his determination in secret and after the fact."

And what in the hell does the Secretary of the Treasury got to do with me. I don't work for the federal government for him to put a lien on money paid to me for working for supposedly in th employ of the federal government. This is what they mean by the statement of Secretary of the Treasury seizing your money yeah they can do that if you owed the Secretary of the Treasury money and our being paid out of the Treasury Money with the Secretary of the Treasury signature on the check paid to you for working for the federal government. Maybe the ones who mistakenly file a 1040 form which makes the government believe you are a Federal Employee (Check their words of art definitions it simply means you are claiming to work for the federal government) and sends you a check from the Secretary of the Treasury in payment for your service via withholding. Basicaly it is a Fruadulent trick to gain Jurisdiction over your you a Human Being and your Life.

You said --> They would never use this again citizens, right? LOL
LOL Yeah they would do it if they get the opportunity to point a gun at your skull and and blow your brains out like they did JFK if you dont' comply or I think their more politically correct Oxymoron Word is Voluntary Compliance for those who wish not to get their brains splattered all over the sidewalk.

Basicaly you can Tell the courts this but they will stick their fingers in their ears and scream at the top of their lungs we don't hear you over and over like a spoiled rotten child. So their is really no justice for people who stand up for their rights. Unless their is a great awakening of the people in this world it will get worse and worse. Some are standing up for their rights but are standing for your rights as well at the price of their life a good trade to live free for once in your life.

But Physical Death is really not the end my friend the truth is waiting for you to discover her secret of why we are here and where we are going. We have many opportunities to make it right not once but many times untill we learn the secret then we graduate and move on. Life is hard now but in our next lives it will get easier and easier and many will have awaken to their inner divinity that is in all humanity's evolution and the Wars will stop and those who cause trouble will be in the minority and will no longer be able to deceive the gloriously Evolved Humans with powers and perceptions increased but will use them wisely and out of compassion for the all but never for themselfs.



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said Doug.

Please remember real Christians hate religions that say they are Christian as real Christians are not religious, at least in my opinion. Evil things are done hiding behind the name of "I am a Christian."

It is very telling that this didn't make the news in the U.S., but did in the UK.

Instead, we have front page news about Harry Potter, a computer that wins at checkers and Doctors looking for the Snow's nose up Bush's butt.

Good reply and thanks,

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Roy

As I live I will say and contiunue to say christianity is a Fraud and that we have been lied to. Because I love the truth that I had to tell my Mom being a chrisitan herself that christianity is a Fraud and tried to explain my Understanding on the subject but she is a Hard Nut to Crack. When I am saying something to someone in person I will say it but with full conviction what I believe but I accept the responsiblity for speaking What I think to me is the truth to them and any consequences.

We were basically indocrinated and deceived over time. People have no ideal what the political climate was all about in the Roman times how people were easily manipulated by the Prysbters for money. The Roman Catholic Vulgate Bible was know by the clergy as the verses for the Vulgar Rabble or the Vulgar Mases that is where they get the word Catholic Mass from. I went to school for 2yrs in a Catholic school system at the age of 5 so I know in regard to what catholics believe. And over time attended various denominations.

But christian or non christians who care about people and put people first is where it is at. I am by know means perfect Roy. I have character flaws that need working on. I have been somewhat immersed in chrisitanity in the past as a belief so I know what I am taling about.

I really could careless of what people believe in as long as they were civil and care more about others then themselfs. Of course I would express my oppions and thoughts and they would exchange theirs and have a civil discussion on interesting subjects that would inpire each other.

I know Roy their are some good christians out their that care about the truth and are troubled by what they see since I was one of those christians who has had enough and has left the fold so to speak in search of more illuminating truth after I discovered the damning evidence against christianity as a thinking ,highly intelectual and Rational Human Being. Since their is no religion higher then Truth (The one that will expose the lies) itself.

Thanks Roy for your comments. Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doug,

I believe you speak of religion or even false religion. It does not have a place in my life, but my higher power does.

I suspect we are saying about the same thing, but it would take years to settle on the semantics.

Best of luck in your journey as you sound like a caring person. I hope I am perceived to be one as well.

Thank you for replying as this was been most interesting.

Now back to gifting for me.

Take care,

Roy
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was this thread about the 5th Amendment being signed away or did it get hijacked with Christian bashing? Rolling Eyes Jesus-if he really did exist-opposed organized religion. I'm all for people having their own beliefs but I don't get obsessed about what I believe and try to cram it down other people's throats. Then I'd be just as bad as a Benny Hinn or some of those other fakes. I try to be tactful and if people are receptive their ears are open. If I tell them they are stupid and deluded the ears turn off and people get upset with us. Just my two cents.

Back on topic-yes it's pretty bad that we have to get our news from foreign outlets to find out what's really going on with our government. We pay Pakistan's army $100 million a month to patrol the border with Afghanistan while college costs have gone up 40% in the last 4 years. Gas,milk and so many other things have gone through the roof.
If they can keep everybody working two or three jobs to pay the bills and watching reality television with their free time they'll be oblivious to what's really going on in the world.

I appear to be drifting myself on this thread...it is a hot button topic for sure. They make a law here and there and reinforce them in other laws so that when martial law is declared they can own everything. Not in any particuclar order necessarily. All it will take is a natural disaster. They are softening people up with tornadoes,floods,etc. If somebody's trailer get flooded, and they aren't in a flood zone ,they won't have flood insurance and will have lost most everything and will have a hand out for help. Here comes good old FEMA or some other agency and you'll be beholden to them or they'll find out everything about you that they'd like to know for future reference...Is your whole family sick with a cold? If you buy more than a certain amount of cold/flu remedy with ephedrine in it you get your name put on a watch list. You are now a possible meth lab operator.

The plan is to bankrupt the U.S. Bush will be discredited with these wars and the NWO will say that there should be a one world government as just one man should not be making decisions that affect so many on the planet. BUSHCO is doing what they can to promote a new world order and don't care how popular or unpopular they are. The wars are to incite the Muslims into a war with Christianity. Everybody follows a script. Everybody thinks they will win and inherit the earth or something. The evil ones are cackling with glee. So much death and destruction and they get to pillage everything that's left over.

In summary-this 5th Amendment issue doesn't surprise me. It's all part of their plan. What to do? Buy a bunch of Liberty Dollars? Cut up your social security card and send it back? Declare yourself sovereign? Refuse to file income taxes? Democrats and Republicans are one and the same. They just use different issues to try and get their way. They aren't all bad-the same way that not everybody of a particular race,religion,age group etc. isn't bad. However power goes to people's heads and they like to live comfortably so they tend to lose their way once elected to any kind of office. They ought to impeach Cheney then go for Bush. Ok-I'll shut up now.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I try to avoid orgonized-anything except orgonized air,water,earth.

See what i did there?

I made a funny.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark,

Watch it, those are addicting.

So are your jokes. LOL

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