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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:10 pm    Post subject: Enlightening 60 second video Reply with quote

Hi All,

Check out this short video, it gives a lot to think about in only one minute. It fell in my lap exactly as I am starting to explore this very topic. The universe works in mysterious ways.... Idea

http://oneminuteshift.com/videos/wonder_of_you
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Lightsabre Smile

Thanks for sharing, that was cool Smile

Here's a vid about the life of a cell, hope you enjoy it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxSLw1LMvgk&feature=related

Amazing stuff, and it's all going on inside us right now! I love the music too.
I just keep thinking when watching it how it's like a little world in itself, it's pretty impressive, and that's just a computer animation.

-Julian
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Lightsabre,

Interesting video.

In fact all those wonderous and intricate parts that makes up our body is generally working for are well being. In fact every cell in our body has conciousness and intelligence. And all the bigger parts such as the Brain, Heart, Sense organs ect are working together in Unity for our greater good. Each of those parts have a particular purpose to sustain us and it is not because we are uniquely special in the Unvierse. We also have a big part to play in the scheme of the Mysterious Ineffable Divine One whose outer clothing metaphorically speaking is the Universe and Physical reality. Like the Mysterious Ineffable Divine One is not a Being but has infinite Intelligence and is suppreme in everyway and perfect.

But are Human minds will fail in understanding who this Mysterious Ineffable Divine One is and as a result come up with a blank every time. At best with our Human religions we have a very crude but not a very accurate understanding who the Mysterious Ineffable Divine One is. So we have an analogy of the Human form we sort of have intelligence and are covered with a veil or our body to contain something much larger then we ourselfs but in the higher realm where are higher divine self dwells are not individual conciouness but something much more. Look to nature as your analog to understand the mysteries and quite possibly the greater mysteries of our divine existance and purpose. At the moment we are sort of living a Dual life the lower and higher Life it being more divine and it's purpose is to bring order and balance to the lower self who is sort of confused and in the dark on a lot of things.

I put it to you this way "Unity in diversity". We and are Physical Cosmos (Know one knows how big this Universe is I say probably near infinite but still Finite) are esentially the substance of the Infinite Mysterious Ineffable Divine One or his covering or veil to keep us from seeing it face to face. So when the Mysterious Ineffable Divine One goes into the void is when it withdraws all things back into itself and sleeps metaphorically speaking as well since this is the closest analog to understanding Deity. And in cyclic fashions Starts or wakes up again (No telling how many cycles of the Universe comming and going have gone by) metaphorically speaking emanates a veil around itself to keep us from seeing its Glory and it's veil once more becomes Our Physical Universe and the process starts up a again and out of necessity and onward all of life once again is striving through its evolution of matter and spirit in moving more toward the Msyterious Ineffable Divine One which intiatly we and all life started its begining journey from as a very small spark of its divine substance.

Here is a basic Statement I found on a website about the Mysterious Divine Ineffable One:
The One is manifested in and through the Many. It has no existence apart from the Many. The Many are also the One, even while they are separated as individuals. They are always part of the One, and always united with the One.

Interesting Video as well Julian.


Doug.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HaggisYann - that was a really good video, with great music. it lead me to a few others on youtube on the same subject. the animation is truly incredible, and it's fascinating to ponder all that going on in every cell in our bodies - wow.

Sovereign - all the info I inadvertently gathered over the years about Consciousness is sort of coming home to roost right now. There are so many names for what you call "The Ineffable Divine One." What you call it depends on which school of thought you came through to understand the knowledge. I first encountered the idea of an all Oneness in the universe through the film "What the Bleep Do We Know?" They simply call it "Consciousness," or the "Unified Field," so that's what I call it, but Ineffable Divine One describes it too.

The first of the Seven Hermetic Principles is "The Principle Of Mentalism." From "The Kybalion": THE ALL IS MIND; The Universe is Mental.
It goes on to explain that "THE ALL is SPIRIT which itself is UNKOWABLE and UNDEFINABLE, but which may be thought of as A UNIVERSAL, INFINITE, LIVING MIND." All the phenomenal world or universe is simply a Mental Creation of THE ALL.

When I finally grasped this principle, all sorts of things that I had been exposed to before but didn't really understand, became clear. Like Bob Marleys "One Love." He's talking about unity among men in 3D, but also at a deeper level about the fact that all men literally ARE one Love, in that we are all created from the same universal mind which is also known as "Love," or "Consciousness," or " The Ineffable Divine One," or etc...

And it's not just people - EVERYTHING is manifested out of the same Consciousness, or Field, or Ineffable One, or whatever you call it. Every rock, tree, cloud, animal, metal, mineral - you name it, it manifested out of pure Consciousness, which means we're ALL one. Everything we perceive in this physical world, it all sprang from the same divinity, and contains the aware, intelligent light of that divinity within itself. This explains the Native Canadian/American view that all things in nature are alive, even rocks and hills. It's not a metaphor, they really are alive! Just like the crystals we use are alive.

Unfortunately for us we do indeed have a "veil" as you described it. We have the illusion of seperateness, we think we're individuals, each man his own island. And we see objects, mountains, plants, fish, butterflys, stars, etc., as all being seperate when really they, and we, are all literally One. I understand this as an intellectual concept, but haven't yet had the Mystical Experience of perceiving it firsthand. I hope that is where further study will take me. Time will tell (that is, of course, if Time as we experience it is real, but that is a whole other discussion... Rolling Eyes )
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the phrase I use is just Generic like Mysterious (Unknown or Unkowable) Infinite (trancending the mudane or finite worlds) Ineffable (Know words in any language that is capable of explaining it to anyone person by a Mystic or Adept who has transcended into the higher Divine realms but is still a human on Earth) Divine (Immortal) One (Supreme Initiator of all Existance and all life). I just use a lot of adjectives to be descriptive. Very Happy

You are right there are different schools of thought and different ways of looking at the deep mystery of the orgin of our existance and the Universe and all life.
Quote from "Compassion is the Spirit of Truth" by DR C A Bartzokas MD (Greek Medical Doctor who turned to Theosophy and Eclectic Philosophy)

The Universe is the periodical manifestation of this unknown Absolute Essence. To call it “essence,” however, is to sin against the very spirit of the philosophy. For though the noun may be derived in this case from the verb esse, “to be,” yet IT cannot be identified with a being of any kind, that can be conceived by human intellect. IT is best described as neither spirit nor matter, but both. “Parabrahman and Mulaprakrati” are One, in reality, yet two in the Universal conception of the manifested, even in the conception of the One Logos, its first manifestation to which . . . IT appears from the objective standpoint of the One Logos as Mulaprakrati and not as Parabrahman; as its veil and not the ONE REALITY hidden behind, which is unconditioned and absolute.

2 Mulaprakrati or noumenon of matter is a veil thrown over Parabrahman Mulaprakratiis a
condition of nirvana,

[a] Is Undifferentiated.

[b] Not dead, as Purusha—the one life—always
exists in it.

[c] Not temporary but eternal.

[d] When subject to changes it always loses its name, reassuming it after returning to its
original undifferentiated condition.

[e] Not partial but co-extensive with space.

[f) Eternally exists in the universe in whatever Avasthā (state or condition) a particular human
being may be

Instead of being identical with Avidyā, implies the absence of Avidyā. It is the highest
state of non being—the condition of Nirvana.

A sort of veil thrown over Parabrahman.Mulaprakrati, which [in the Bhagavad Gita] is sometimes called Avyaktam, and in other places, Kūtasñham, which means simply the undifferentiated element. Nevertheless Parabrahmanseems to be the one foundation for all physical phenomena, or for all phenomena that are generally referred to Mulaprakrati. . . .
Were it not for this essence [of Parabrahman], there could be no physical body. But these attributes do not spring from Parabrahman itself, but from Mulaprakrati which is its veil; Mulaprakrati is the veil of Parabrahman. It is not Parabrahman itself, but merely its appearance. It is purely phenomenal.3 It is no doubt far more persistent than any other kind of objective existence. Being the first mode or manifestation of the only absolute and unconditioned reality, it seems to be the basis of all subsequent manifestations.

Like the above everybody has different points of view such as the eastern version above by the DR C A Bartzokas MD.

I am a deep person and not a know it all. Since I don't want to get an overly inflated Ego which will destroy me as a person. This thing has bit many Occutist on the Ass such as Powerfull Adepts and caused them to tread the path as a Black Magician Shocked Sort of like the Force in StarsWars Anakin Skywalker was overcome by his inflated Ego of beliveing himself to be a great and Powerfull Jedi and someday would prove it and fell prey to a very powerfull Sorcerer who abused and used him.

Christians don't have a clue about this esoteric saying of what it is really saying:
1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil (Overly Inflated Ego), as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: which is none other then a highly inflated Ego or one of self inportance or one who has a god complex and not the normal balanced pyche and one who is grounded with a healthy state of mind. But still one who opens up the portal of the divine to recieve illumination by these divine energies will have to be on guard all the time for an unbalanced mind that can be destructive to your spritual growth. The so called siddhartha buddha as a human had to battle with this inflation of the Ego as he was being illuminated or attaining Enlightenment but prevailed overcomming his lower self.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soverign - whew! yes I agree, you are deep and have obviously studied the great mystery in great detail Smile I'm just starting down that path myself, in an official consciously aware sense anyway. I get the feeling that all people who are drawn to this stuff (and I think all people will be eventually, whenever each is ready) have actaully been learning about it in a haphazard manner through their accumulated life experience. They don't realize it as it's happening, I didn't either, but eventually all the "school of hard knocks" learning culminates in an epiphany of realisation that life has been about this learning all along. Then they choose to emabark on a structured, established path of philosophical teaching that greatly accelerates and intensifies the pace.

This is the spot I'm currently at in the journey. I've just recently become aware that all the past trials and tribulations in my life have been preparing me to discover a path, and to discover the fact that I need a path in the first place. You seem to be further down the trail than me, but hopefully we'll both end up in Enlightenment at the end Idea

I almost forgot to ask: did you choose "Soverign" because it denotes a person who has decided to take control of his/her personal sovereignty? I see that idea quite a bit in philosophical readings, that a person must take back power and control over their own life and personality, and overcome the ego and societal programming to truly rule over ones own self.

Also, did you choose the Star Wars analogy because of my name - "lightsabre"? If so, well done! I chose the name because whenever I think of these things I think of that story, I LOVED it as a kid (and still do to be honest Embarassed ). I see it as a very straightforward, simple example of all these deep, intricate ideas we're discussing. I'm a very simple guy, so I prefer straightforward and simple examples (I'm also not above enjoying a good 'ol fashioned duel when it comes to putting evil in its place Twisted Evil ).
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Lightsabre,

I am almost 50 years old and I have gained some wisdom along the way and I know my destiny or at least in this life I will play some small part in this life. Their are others doing the Great Work (working on themselves to achieve immortality or discover the Philosophers stone) in order to better themselves by communing with the Divine for the only purpose in helping are struggling humanity who many are in darkness (Ignorance) as a result reaping untold misery and suffering. At an early age I was emotionally disturbed that is I had to deal with a lot of emotional problems or baggage in my early life, was very quite in school and got tagged by the teacher as a problem child and sent to the school Psychiatrist and did riddle games and played with blocks. They were trying to determine if I had any intelligence. Got put back a few grades and they even put me in with a special education class (mainly slow people and mentally retarded people). My dad always believed in me and thought I was a lot smarter then he was. He was at one time was a member of the Mensa Society. I believe his IQ was like 270 in the IQ range. I never took the test since I was intimidated by it and did not think I could pass their test. I believe their test would not work in my case. Me and my Dad were always talking about intellectual matters but he was always a loving Parent in spite of his flaws like we all have.

I guess in my early years I had a low self esteem and I believed I was diagnosed as having a fear of failure complex.

But I was not totally alone even though I am the eldest of 6 in my family. That is 5 brothers counting me and one sister. My Dad passed away in 1988 under peculiar circumstances.

I had to have help otherwise I would still be in the dark. It seems in my case I have been given clues as to what my destiny is. Example when my Dad was still alive we were sitting at the table talking while my dads sister came over one day started in on this story about me something about a very lucid dream she had about me in the future. Of course I was little troubled (a bit self concious) about what she was revealing about me around the age maybe 15 years old (Oh my how fast time has gone by and this present life will be like a shadow compared to the next life). She explained that she saw me talking to a large crowd of people much like a preacher does at least that is the way she saw it. Her dream made such an impression on her that she believed some day I would be doing this. When I heard this of course I was in shock and thought to myself what ridiculous nonsense me a preacher which is what she thought. I walked away very confused and dismissed it as nonsense and why would God or if you will the Divine be interested in me since I am not qualified and have no talent (The thought scared the hell out of me of standing before a crowd of people saying what? I had no clue what would be so important that people would want to hear what I had to say) for this. In my mind I decide that this is not possible. Boy was I ever wrong. I still don't know how this is to manifest or if it is currently in play. This Forum is part of it. But I think an event will transpire before I die that will be fullfiled in away that I never expected it to play out. I have had other confirmations in my life from different situations and other family members I have seen that confirms her dream as well and it seems the universe is giving me a hint. Understand their are other people that are doing what I been called to do as well. I have received a word between my Higherself which was completely unexpected in early 1980's when I was talking to the Dvine since I was out of work no money in the bank but felt much better after talking to my HigherSelf my therapist but was shocked as I listened to my HigherSelf verbalize while in deep meditation and contemplation concerning my future which was hopefull but scary but I was going to be ray of light or hope to many people but there is price to pay. It said I will in the future experiance a life of great difficulty (Which I am at present experiancing some very bad health related problems more then I expected at this age) Apparently I am going to have some very nasty enemies to deal with which at some time in the future I must of become a very serious threat to them.

Currently I been looking at the Hermetic order of the Golden Dawns teachings. I have applied and I am currently waiting for a reply from the order I have applied to. It requires a lot of work and serious commitment on my part. They don't have patience with people who just dabble or who are simply dabblers of the Occult (which means hidden and not something of an Evil nature). Those that play with fire (Prometheus's fire) will get burnt very badly. Although the chrisitians will probably come down on people probably like myself of wanting to practice the Occult (But under a controlled and built in safety and with the help of responsible fraternity of Adepts) but currently as I see it in the churches today their is an very Abusive Occult current called Slain in the Spirit if you research it you will find the Gurus of the East have the same effect when one of these Eastern Gurus touch one of their followers on their forehead and of course everybody experiances something different but generally it is a very powerfull surge of Divine Power when you are touched on the forehead and can render you at time in a numbed out state (can't talk straight or very weak like a drunken person) same with the Gurus of the East in what they call the ShaktiPat the Dvine Power Touch which it basically awakens the Kundalini energy in a person in a forcefull way as the so called christians are doing and that much energy flowing through ones body can cause all kinds of problems that are physical and normally requires some kind of Yoga to properly channel it. This can easily push peoples Conciousness into other unknown realms of reality that can drive people into a state of Psychosis or become literally insane since they were not properly prepared to understand these subjective higher realms and in a way this Surge of unbalanced Divine energy can cause serious health problems as well like I say play with fire and you will get burnt badly. Of course my mom is always telling me of her experiance of numbness and electricity through out her body a classic case of Kundalini awakening since she seeks out these christian gurus but she is hard headed when I tell her to say away from these iresponsible and Dangerous People. Of course I am taged by her as not a born again christian and one who is quite possibly a heathen and incapable of understanding the truth of God since I am not controlled by the Holy Spirit. Her health has deterioted to the point due to this unbalanced power of Kundalini awakening in her body. I guess I should ask her whats taking God so long to heal you if you feel all this power all over you like electricity and numbness so what good is it? Yet the ignorance of the christian church would say that the so called Eastern Gurus are opperating by the Power of the Devil well talk about the Pot calling the Kettle Black. Large Body of people don't know they are being used of their energy and giving it to certain people. This Divine Power or Force is real but it is being used in a inresponsible way. I know I felt it is more like energy due to the large number of people and not some human created God. Characters like Rodney Howard Brown (The laughing Guru), Benny Hinn (The mystical healing Guru) and other such Con Men and Women are abusing the energy of the people and claiming it as God or actually theirs since they demand money from these people and make them feel bad or God will curse them or something by reading a verse or two about Gods Wrath and at best they are practicing Black Magic of the worst kind that will end up hurting people and destroy their spirituality. Although certain Gurus are seeing like never before Kundalini Awakening and the so called christian churches are seeing this as well but they call it the move of the holy spirit. I believe something to do with the alignments in our Solar system and our Spiral Galaxy and these high influx of these energies that seem to be energizing these people in our generation.

Well when I chose Sovereign it means what you defined it to mean as someone who wants to take charge of ones life well sort of. Since I am discovering the Universe or the Divine don't revolve around me but I will play a part as a contributing member in helping those to go from the Darkness into the Light. No one can give you Spiritual Things or Change You. You have to choose this yourself and those who are your Guides can help you and show you the Path but it is up to you to walk this path yourself. You are only fooling your Higher Self if you are not serious about going from Darkness and into the Lght and are just playing games or dabbling with the pretty fire. So don't complain if you get burnt very badly beyond repair.

Well your name Lightsabre does indicate of what the Jedi Knights used in their order as defenders of peace. In your case my Higher Self probably informed me that I should use this analogy probably knowing some aspect about you and so my lowerself probably had no clue but none the less was given this info to use perhaps in your case.

I am constantly getting streams of thought comming out of the void or higher realms that comes down to my lower self. This is generally how I am given info to me due to a very mysterious dialog going back and forth on a continual basis without ceasing between my Higher Divine Self and my lower self who at times gets confused but is given a clearer picture as it is fed back down to my Concious level from my Higher Self sort of my Big Brother watching out for me or what some call their Holy Guardian Angel. The purpose of the Hermetic order of the Golden Dawn is to teach the intiate how to open this portal to the Dvine Higher Self in order for there to be a two way communicaton between the two. My Higher Divine self helps my my lower dumb self when he is struggling in the dark since it will respond to my questons like what is the secret of my life and for what purpose do I exist and help you to make sense out of things that our confusing to your lower self such as solving some tough problems you are working on. I guess someone you can trust to talk to about your problems when you are alone. Although I am one step ahead since I understand what these Divine Energies are the Golden Dawn talk about since I experianced them myself much like an intiate would experiance being physically intiated in a temple setting or in some cases if you can't get to a temple which is much prefered then doing it via the astral by way of an inItiator from the temple. Although the Golden Dawn is Msytery school of the Western Tradition , the student learns to use all it's teachings for his benifit and using Magic to harness the Divine Energies of Nature to bring about Balance and Harmony to ones self in order to achieve Adeptship or Mastery of these forces of Nature which is all of humankinds destiny to master these forces of nature for their good and be able to help out the rest of humanity in achieving unity and alignment with the Divine Ineffable One.

Once one has truely mastered these forces of Nature he can truely be called an Adept or Magician and can eventually change the Physical Matrix of our world due to the Hermeticist knowledge "That which is above is the same as that which is below' and using Magic to Imprint an Image of what you want done in the above or higher realms you can in effect change the below or the physical realm in any way you chose that is in accordance with the Divine in which we live in since that is what Occult Magic is all about. And that is why it requires a person of Higher moral stature and character one who is aligned perfectly with the Divine Energies (This is why why a person has to be intiated to be purified by the Divine energies by invoking them using cermonial, ritiualistic work and other forms of Magic before he enters into the Inner Circle of Power of Adeptship) to in order to responsibly use Divine Power. This kind of Knowledge being used by the wrong people can cause all kinds of havoc and for a long time have been kept out the hands of the foolish who truely do not understand the consequences for the use of such Knowledge and Power.

From this Qabalistic point of view, the magician creates images in the world of Briah (Creation) under the authority of Atziluth (Emnation, the highest and most spiritual). Within a short period of time the images empowered in this more quintessent world will take on shape, form and dimension in the lower worlds of Yetzirah (Formation) and Assiah (Action).

I am also a big fan of SciFi like Star Trek, Star Wars, Stargate SG1 and Atlantis, Battlestar Galactica modern version and others that have good special effects , Drama and good story to tell much like the Star Trek the Next Gen does as well as the other Star Trek series. I am a Hobbist Computer Graphics Programer and have played lots of Computer Games in my time. I also have a background in Electronics although I am not active in that area. But lattely I read a lot and ponder a lot as well.

Well as for the concept of Good and Evil they are really two sides to the same coin since we are dealing with forces of nature (Check the Qabalistic tree of life for these) such as the the conflicts many are experiancing in their lives like Hate or Love (the constant wars within ourselves) and between these forces of opposites are Balance and Harmony. There is no Absolute Evil such as an Evil Devil thats been fighting God for Eternity or using God as punching bag, nor is there an Absolute Good like the Human created conception of God we envision to be. These are just personified forces of nature we encountering in our process of evolving. We all have either the potential to do good or evil it has nothing to do with a Mythological Good God or Bad Devil. This is Why Adeptship is important in the Hermetic order of the Golden Dawn that is for you to be the Master of these different forces of nature and bring them under control and balance that way your Psyche will be brought in alignment with the Divine where you can lead a fruitfull and more productive life being able to help humanity is the goal due to an open channel of communication of your lower and Higher Self and the Divine and as result the purpose is to purify the lower self and aquire immortality and become more then human for the purpose of helping humanity in the Spirit of Compassion and Love that is divine and is not a self centered and an overly inflated Ego that will destroy you in the end.

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