Descendants of Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse break away from US

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:12 pm    Post subject: Descendants of Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse break away from US Reply with quote

I thought this was a very interesting story:

Says a lot about how the US government been lieing and stealing from these people for countless ages since the Lakotian people were here before us and spiritually are our brothers and sisters. The so called white people mostly us the Europeans since our descendants more in all likelihood have shafted and screwed these people during the Gold Rush or Fever out of Greed and self enrichment at the price of another Human Being. And they are still getting the shaft big time so it is any wonder they feel they are better off returning to their of Lakotian Spiritual roots and the old way of life hunting and providing for the tribe or their peoples well being.

I was listening to my MP3 and was listening to a song I heard over and over at the end (Last song to be played in a mix) I always here some saying and made me really think of how enlightened this individual really was.

Quote from the end of the song:

"Black Elk the Lakota Medicine Man said Peace comes within the Souls of Men when they realize their Oneness with the Universe. When they realize it is really everywhere. It is within each of us."

Black Elk (1863-1950)

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do wonder if it's going to create a snowball effect... mmmm...

For those who didn't check the story:

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us," long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means told a handful of reporters and a delegation from the Bolivian embassy, gathered in a church in a run-down neighborhood of Washington for a news conference.

A delegation of Lakota leaders delivered a message to the State Department on Monday, announcing they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the United States, some of them more than 150 years old.

They also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and will continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months, they told the news conference.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free -- provided residents renounce their US citizenship, Means said.

The treaties signed with the United States are merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists say on their website.

The treaties have been "repeatedly violated in order to steal our culture, our land and our ability to maintain our way of life," the reborn freedom movement says.

Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.

"This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution," which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.

"It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent," said Means.

The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence -- an overt play on the title of the United States' Declaration of Independence from England.

Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because "it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row," Means said.

One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples -- despite opposition from the United States, which said it clashed with its own laws.

"We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children," Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.

The US "annexation" of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere "facsimiles of white people," said Means.

Oppression at the hands of the US government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies -- less than 44 years -- in the world.

Lakota teen suicides are 150 percent above the norm for the United States; infant mortality is five times higher than the US average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.

"Our people want to live, not just survive or crawl and be mascots," said Young.

"We are not trying to embarrass the United States. We are here to continue the struggle for our children and grandchildren," she said, predicting that the battle would not be won in her lifetime.

I was going to suggest some boosting but hey, I think they're pretty much covered.
(then again I'm not a psychic)

Here's their website

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