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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:09 am    Post subject: " Revelations of and Elite Family Insider " Reply with quote

Ok so to start i wrote none of this. This is a copy of a copy of a copy from many websites. I really do not know what i think of this. It was in 2005 and i just found it now. I am in no way shape or form saying this is true. It is though very interesting.
JosheWon.

The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider

Something fascinating happened on a forum in a span of a few days and it has caused quite a stir in certain parts of the Internet.

A person by the moniker of Insider claimed he was from a ruling bloodline and gave the people a chance to ask everything they wanted and Insider would answer. At first it looks like another internet hoax, some lightweight questions were followed by lightweight answers, but then things started changing drastically. Anyone who understands dialectics knows that the answers Insider gave were designed to force/provoke others to ask questions which went to the core of the matter. First some questions are being asked by Insider like "Are you really living on the planet you think you are?" which made people react differently than before. The answers this person started giving to those following questions showed a deep, broad understanding of philosophy, history, metaphysics, religion, magic, politics, and more in a way which is very innovative, detailed and some answers are thought provoking to say the least. What amazes is that Insider answered these questions in a very short time span and if you keep in mind that the topics are diverse, some indepth and some epic answers showed up literally minutes apart, one must wonder how it was done. Copy/paste from internet? I checked intensively and the sentences Insider used cannot be found on internet. Like one person observed, this was way over the heads of the usual suspects. Some people started getting upset, others were drawn to it and this all lead to a dialogue where so much was revealed, including by the other posters that it can be studied for years to come. Sounds hard to believe? Read on.

*****

Statement Insider:

I am a member of an Elite Family who you despise...ask me a question

9/24/2005

and I will answer them in short.

Why?
Because I can.

Q:
Whatīs an "Elite Family"?


A:
Thatīs how most are calling it.
Families who for a long time have been ruling the people who are not from these bloodlines.

Q:
whatīs your thoughts on "peak oil"


A:
It is known within certain circles that it is manufactured.
The Earth is producing more oil/gas than is being used now even believe it or not, it is a natural process "the more you take, the more it produces to balance itself".
Study the bees and the way they produce honey and you will understand.

On top of that there are many places with large amounts of natural resources which never have been touched.

The agenda?
I think you know.

Q:
what commonalities do the bloodlines share?

and have you ever fucked a child?


A:
Understand that "bloodlines" have been chosen to rule, it didnīt just appear out of air.
The souls which incarnate into these bloodlines who rule are picked by Divine Law.
Other things donīt have to be mentioned.

The second question shows you read to much Icke who is a tool that is being used.
But to answer, no.

Q:
Sorry, OP. No one rules me...never has!


A:
A little old saying:
The perfect slave is the one that says "I am not a slave".
It is like an alcoholic saying he isnīt an alcoholic so therefor he will always be an alcoholic.
Get my drift?

Q:

Where do you elites store your mentally ill relatives caused by centuries of inbreeding?


A:
It is a myth that inbreeding always causes problems.
If the 2 persons who procreate carry genes which are of better quality than the rest....

Q:
why have you allowed us to breed like rats if population is what you feel threatens you?


A:
1. We havenīt allowed that, you have more power than you think you have.
2. Population does not threaten "us" in any way, shape or form....again a myth.

Q by the forum owner:
I am curious what a member of an īelite familyī thinks of GLP.

So what do you think?


A:
The more divided people are, the easier it is to rule over them.
Making them believe they have a sword in their hand which they think makes them powerful and able to fight "the dark sider" while it is just a toothpick.
You have to be very careful who you give that imaginary sword to, Trinity.

Do you know that not just spoken words but also written words emanate a frequency which have a direct effect?
And I would say that a vast majority of the written words here are not helping the cause you think you are fighting for.

Q:
What is your religious affiliation?


A:
Religion is created by "us".
The religions which rule now are the ones that are under total control.
I canīt give out to much about this but Christianity/Judaism/Islam/Buddhism are a bit off, letīs say.
There is a core of truth, but it is drowning in a sea of perversions....for you to pick out, good luck.

What we believe in does not matter but it is about serving the Divine Law which was passed onto us.

Q:
How about the world economy?


A:
One thing conspiracy theorists are right about is that it is based on money that doesnīt exist, never existed, never will.

The ones who own the banks also own the media and politics, so it can be portrayed the way they want you to believe it.

Q
When will the wheat be separated from the chaff?

Or do you want to get rid of the wheat and leave
the chaff for your slaves?

Whichever, when will it happen?
(tired of false dates,
please be honest this time)


A:
I know 100% sure there is no end time, at least not like it is being portrayed everywhere, be it religion, media, etc.

This place was never meant to end the way it is being described.
There will be a time when everyone will be released but that is not a mass event, but rather 1 by 1....work on yourself.

Q:
Iīm curious to know why the Elite do not lead? They seem to be more of a parasite on society.


A:
A fish in the ocean canīt see that birds are flying in the sky.

Q:
Have you or any of your family members ever participated in an occult ritual and, if yes, what was the nature of it?


A:
Rituals have a meaning which cannot be understood by most.
Rituals are there to connect with the higher beings who govern this realm.
We are doing our job.

Q:
well Iīd have to say your divine law has fucked up this planet and its people very well!


A:
Peasants like you donīt understand that you do it, nobody else.
Btw, by what you just said you lenghtened your stay here on Earth one more lifetime....my condolences.

Q:
Do you frequent the Bohemian Grove and fully participate... in cremation of care.. sacrifice to
Molech ... screwing the male homosexual prostitutes... orgies ... etc..


A:
Those and other similar places are for the politicians and media people, they are obligated.
Sometimes a bloodline will be present but will not participate in those acts which are not the rituals we do.


Comment from Insider:
Accidental Stoner

Those were many questions....
Most I would answer yes, some no.

Donīt believe all that "gurus" tell about us and you will do fine.

Q:
do you consider the prevalence/success of organised crime families and syndicates as a massive failure of your colle3ctive will?


A:
They are there for a reason.
They arenīt as succesful as they look though, they are broken.

Q:
Why do you continue to attempt to control mass consciousness by by spreading fear though every outlet available to you.

Why not set the knowledge free as was intended long ago, the written word is spreading the wings of truth.

The sword has been given to the sheep, and the day of reconing is soon at hand. I believe in no law of divinity or hierarchy, we are all equal unto th eyes of the creator and for that must you answer in your time.

The meek are inheriting the Earth presently, I pray for you.


A:
If that was the aim, it would be done in an instant.
You do not understand what this world we live in really is.

Q:
I have no questions. I do however have a statement.

The time of reckoning is at hand.

A:
It is not.


Q:
it goes..the best slave is one who thinks he is free.

13..ultimately it is all a matter of genes, nīest ce pas?

do you understand self-cloning?

do you agree that the planet is replete with false allies and false enemies?


A:
Thatīs not how it originaly goes....about the slave.
If you read carefuly you will see.

Last question has a yes as an answer, there are also no real allies or enemies.

Q:
Op IF you are indeed who & what you say you are, then you will know that you and your ilk are in big trouble...

Your time is short and those you belong to,
who are in our space quadrant as we speak, already know it! I imagine they are a tad busy right at this moment.

But of course you must keep up appearances even when you know you fight a losing battle.


Personally I will be very happy to see the day... and it is coming, sooner than you think


A:
There is no end of time.
A long time ago, the people did ALMOST manage to take over, and then bad things happened on earth to those people....what are you seeing now?

Are you really living on the planet you think you are?

Q:
The "higher beings who govern this realm", do you serve them? By what names do you call them? Have you ever seen them? Where do they reside?


A:
They penetrate everything and they are benevolent.

Q:
dang insider you skipped my question about what really hit the pentagon....does that mean you arenīt going to answer it?


A:
Does it matter what hit it?

Q:
Too much question dodging


A:
I did not sign a contract which says I have to answer everything.
Some questions do not need an answer and others do not mean a thing eventhough you think it does.

I will be back tomorrow.

9/25/2005

Statement by Insider:
How strange that some of you who talk about love, light and peace are the ones who 2 sentences later cuss and talk about murdering others, smirking about it being soon..

Are you sure you are on the "good" side?
And who is Natascha?

For the ones who are a bit smarter than that, ask away, I will answer the way I choose to.
Before you ask the question, force yourself to think outside the box that was created for you by others...ask a real question that you thought about, formulate it in detail.

For the others, if you could leave out cussing, hate, bigotry and prejudice (which is based on your gurusī amazing wisdom), it would show you are a bit more evolved from the peasant stage.

I will not answer all questions, sometimes because it is obvious if you think about it or parts of it have been answered, other times because I do not have the obligation to do so.


Q:
so is bill gates more elite than you?
how about queen elizabeth?
are you an arab?
canīt you control the oil instead of the arabs?


A:
The ones you know the names of are not true bloodlines like you have been taught by theorists. They are not the ones who write the symphony, neither conduct it.
The ones you mentioned and other known names merely play the violin or cello when they are told to, the way they are told to.

It does not matter what race I am, has no effect on anything.

Oil is already under full control like all natural resources.


Q:
Why does visualization work?


A:
It does not work for everybody, you have to reach a certain stage in your development.
This means living by strict rules, applying them to everything you do in life, in detail.
Most humans do not have the discipline nor temparence to achieve that stage.
Some here talk like they can, but I know even without knowing anything about their lives that they are further away from it than they think.

"Visualisation" works because it is an essential way of the creational process in this material universe.
The Universe is a living entity who uses itīs Mind to create and the beings created from that may have that same power to within their boundaries.


Q:
Now the question is, who is using Icke?

and better question... Why?


A:
Icke has a core of truth he is trying to pass.
What he does not realise is that this actually works against him.
The reptilian part was fed him by the ones who work for the bloodlines.
In a period of 7, 8 months he was bombarded with "victims" who witnessed shape-shifting, satanic rituals, etc. in such a way he could not refuse to not believe it.
Sometimes the "witnesses" were lead to him a few times a day, depending on his location.
Others like Icke (and there are more than you think) have been fed similar stories.

Really, I am not reptilian.

The answer why does not have to be answered.


Q:
Hello Insider!

Are you part of the Divine Brotherhood? Are you ME? Are you he who manipulates the Matrix? Enquiring minds want to know, cuz Iīm thoroughly confused. You say we despise you, but I could not imagine despising any Being from the Devine Realms! Then you act like your part of the "elite bloodline" on Earth, but what would bloodlines have to do with the Spiritual world? Again...Iīm confused. Could you clarify? Just what IS the Elite of whom you say we despise, and yet who apparently has all the "inside scoop"??

sigh

Sammie


A:
You are confused for you have accepted the other versions of the "truth" and you think you have a sight of the big picture, but what I say dismisses huge parts of it.

There is a misconception about bloodlines....obviously, the questions that are being asked here prove that.
But there is a reason for that, and it serves an important purpose.

We manipulate this world only as far as we are allowed to by the Divine Law.
We provide you with tools and then it us up to you to determine how you use it.
Tools can be used in a maliscious way but noone is forcing you to use them that way....you are choosing yourself.
So despising the ones who provide you with the tool that you voluntarily chose to "sin" with is about you trying to camouflage your tracks.

You get what you deserve, that is how this universe works.
We do our duty, so do yours.


Q:
There is a very old saying...unrecorded in open history--"the devil doesnīt know heīs the devil...he thinks heīs God."


A:
Wrong.
It actually states that humans who worship the "bad" think they worship the "good".


Q:
"You do not understand what this world we live in really is."
-----------

Care to elaborate on this statement...?

Regards,
Further Considerations


A:
Only if you formulate the question and understand that certain questions need to be answered by yourself only not others, otherwise they have no purpose.


Q:
Hey 13 --

Iīm not coming back to your planet next time.

Smoke on that.


A:
What gave you the impression that when that time comes, you have a say in that?


Q:
What is the reason that your people came to this planet?


A:
Almost the same reason you came.


Q:
Now, what "elite" family does anyone know well enough to "despise"?

Dubya, is that you?


A:
To clear this up once and for all....the Bushs are not bloodline.....in fact, they are your kind who wanted to be worshipped by your kind.

I will sum it up again in short, the ones that have known faces/names are not directly bloodline.
They are not the composers/conductors, they just play the flute the way they are told to.

Bushs, Clintons, Sharons, Arafats, Hitlers, Dalai Lamas, Mandelas, Blairs, Gores, Chavezs, Ghandis, Kennedys, Lennons, Dylans, Einsteins, Michaelangelos, Popes, Ceasars, Aristotles, Herodotus, Akhenatons.

They all play/played their part the way they are/were told to.

These people who love recognition and praise of your kind would not be allowed to be in the same room with some people I am related to.


Q by forum owner:

Insider,

Rather than give them a sword (or a toothpick), I give them a canvas and a pen.

The words as you say have vibration and effect.

And though yes many that are written here are contrary to the ONE, some ring true.

It is those few, that matter most.

I was recently asked by a friend of mine,

"what do you do when you have mastered the game?"

This seems like a question that would apply to one in your situation as well.

My answer was, "save as many as you can".

I am curious to know, What is yours?


A:
If it has an immediate effect it is not a canvas and a pen anymore but a sword...an imaginary one but nonetheless a sword.
And it is not working the way you think it does.

You say most are contrary to the One and that is true, in fact almost all is contrary.
But you say because of the few that ring "true" it is worth it.
You cannot have 2 contrary essences at the same time/place eventhough they may have the same spring.
Which means one of the 2 is not present here....do I have to tell you which one that is?


About mastering the game.
How does one know they have mastered it?
Does someone else tell them?
See, if the "master" is not really a master yet he acts like one it will mean he will make errors.
He will have flawed thoughts and act accordingly.
People will start listening to him and adopt the flawed opinions and way of living.....eventually he will do more harm than 1 bloodline actually has the power to do personally.
Hence why "leaders" have been created for you who "have mastered their game".
Jesus of Nazareth is a nice example.
He was created, this human has many worshippers and they have murdered in his name and still do (Bush).
Jesus of Nazareth was not a master of the game, he was a puppet being used in the game and he still is serving the agenda among you.
So you might think you are saving as many as you can like him but are you really?

How would I answer the question "what do you do when you have mastered the game?"

Checkmate.


Q:
Is Earth a prison?


A:
Yes and even worse.
The ones who believe the contrary will never escape.


Q:
Why, oh why would an alleged member of an "elite family" waste one minute minute of their time, or give credence to the cespool that is GLP?


A:
Bloodlines are not robots who all act the same.
You are confusing the ones who you think control you with others.


Q:
Now on the population reduction... We have a few brewing like AIDS... however, it has been my feeling that the "release" of a bio, will be in a timely fashion cloaked in chaos from another event. What say you on that?


A:
There is no plan to reduce the population, that is fully in the hands of the people.
However certain events have been seen as just that while they are serving another purpose....a misconception.
Just because it comes across like population reduction does not mean it is exactly that.

Really, if the goal was population reduction, it would have been done a long time ago in a span of a few weeks.
In fact the opposite is more true in most areas on this planet.

What you said could happen but it would be done by the ones who control the lower areas.
The ones up higher do it through the daily items you consume.


Q:
Was Yahweh an extraterrestrial negative entity? Or was he a fiction invented by the Jewish fantasy factory during the time the Greeks ruled Palestine?


A:
If the name of an entity is public, it means it is fabricated.
Yahweh used to represent an age where mass-control was taking shape.


Q:
Ah, so Mormons are the only ones who are barking up the right tree. Authority and all that.


A:
No.


Q:
1). Donīt you get sick and tired of the lack of real quality in the Music and the Movies?

With your power/money/influence why do you not prime the pump with some really good stuff?

2). What are the three things that have you concerned about most regarding the upsetting of the applecart? [Things that are beyond the direct control of the PTB that you are scrambling to prepare against]

3). Who owns and runs the show on planet earth? Please list the major player groups who actually answer to each successive level beginning from the top down. Descriptions are fine if you donīt want to divulge names. Is it like a pyramid, or is it a number of factions vying for power/control?

4). What is the real story on the greys and are they still major players currently?

5). What do you fear the most?

6). What is the real story you havenīt told us because we havenīt asked yet??


A:
1. The ones who search hard will find the gems in Music, in fact they are out in the open.
It is not our duty to enlighten you, that is yours.
We hand out the tools that can be used in the way you choose to, "good or bad".

2. Nothing to do with us but with the puppets.

3. The shape of a Pyramid yes, but people forgot the underground chamber.
The Top of the Pyramid is not the top.

5. Fear is based on physical impulses, the physical is not important.


Q:
My full-blood Italian maternal lineage traces back to King Charles I (Charlemange) but by name, Count Dotto Dotti who was the captain of the archers for Prince Phillipe (King Charles IV) and who was part of the coup to secure the īsecretī from the Merovingians and the Knights Templar. I wonīt discuss the secret, which I am sure of, but I donīt understand why you operate in the fashion that you do and I operate in the fashion that I do then as a result. This does not mean that I am of any particular bloodline that is part of the ultimate that you speak of, but my life is far more progressive than anyone that I know scientifically and professionally regardless of the economy (change thereof coming shortly). And I do see the īillusionī all around me.

Explain this please.


A:
I have explained it a bit.
Your lineage is not what you think it is.
Charlemagne (like other "kings") merely played the flute, like his descendants do now in politics especially.

However if there are traces of the lineage within you (and this goes deeper than just blood and genes as you know) then obviously you will understand your surrounding better than others.
There are people who are directy linked and they will act differently.


Q:
Do you think Insider that

This current battle is in two stages. Now, on the etheric. And, a thousand years from now, on the astral, once all the HEart people have dropped their physical bodies and HAVE GRADUATED TO HIGHER LIFE FORMS, THE NEXT BEING THE ASTRAL. Then,

The whole show starts all over again, with different players.


A:
You are confusing a few matters.

There is just 1 struggle and it is now, here on this planet and on a personal level....meaning you only.
There is no enemy you can attack except yourself.
If you are busy attacking something else, you are wasting precious energy and you will fail.

If you succeed, there will be no struggle anymore.


Q:
Dear Insider,

You state that we have the tools to work with. Can you tell us some of them, something to work with so we may free ourselves?

You agree that we are on a prison planet. I thought more like a Zoo, where we are being observed and studied. But if we are on a prison planet, than I must understand that we truly have no free will. Correct?

Thank you

#3


A:
The tools are in your hands, around you, everywhere...it is even being drawn out of you.
It is your duty towards yourself to reveal them to yourself and then do as you please with them....there is always a consequence.

Prisoners still can determine what they do in their prison with the tools that were provided to them, they can decide how to walk in the yard, how to talk, think...
You have free will therefore you suffer and are aware of your suffering.


Q:
Dear Insider,

Thank you for answering my first two questions and your time.
I should have asked this question with the first two, but alas I do now. Why give me tools to escape a prison? Sounds counter productive to what a prison is for.

I have known that the PTB are puppets moved around by hands that we cannot see, nor may ever see, but why make them look and act (seemingly) stupid or at the least illogical? Are you wanting a revolution?

What you are saying is that the war is within - not without - though TPTB seem to want us to think it is without - why distract us? What is it that they donīt want us to accomplish? Freedom?

And yes, I am reminded everyday of my suffering.

Thanks
#3


A:
We are neutral and doing our duty which many times comes across as being negative.
If you observe closely you will see we merely spreading the tools which can be used by you to free yourself or chain yourself, your choice.

The Divine Law has a purpose for you and it is not on this planet.
Prove you are worthy again to be released.

The distraction is part of that.
It is about knowing who is and who is not.
The ones who support any of these known faces are failing.


Q:
It sounds like you are cautioning Trinity against giving full reign to freedom of speech? Is thi correct?


A:
He may do as he pleases and accept the consequences in the bigger picture.


Q:
What is your interpretation of the Divine Law and how can I make peace with myself?


A:
Knowing yourself and where you really are, are the 2 most important issues that you should be involved with.
It is your task to find out.
In fact, if someone gave you the correct answers, it would not mean a thing to you for they would not be attached to you in a way they would if you would have found them yourself.

If you find the answers to those, you have accomplished a huge part of your duty towards yourself.
After that your task would be living according to the Divine Law which is revealed to you after that stage untill departure.


I may be back tomorrow, maybe Tuesday.


9/26/2005

Statement by Insider:

NOTE: I am Insider, AC 13, the former proxy I was using disappeared.
So I am using another one with another ID.

Statement by Insider:

Insider/AC 13 again, yet another proxy....the last one disappeared too right after posting.

It is getting difficult for me to enter and stay here but I will go on as long as possible.


Q:
Question to the insider (AC 13):

Are you familiar with the Black Nobility?

I have traced and linked all ancient royal families of Europe and the Middle East still present to this day. I

know their names and their connections to power, wealth and influence across the world.

I can even identify the very person who is the potential Anti-Christ (he has all the correct makings - a

wonderful, benign young man who has yet to realize his full potentiality as a world leader). The Black

Nobility love this young man.

And lastly, are you a small part of the Black Nobility, Insider?


A:
The Dark Nobility is a faction which operates on their own, they have different roots which have been described in texts written by my ancestors.
It is a much smaller group than most would claim, because the core is different to the "outer walls".
They are the ones which you all confuse with my kind and therefor direct the hate towards the wrong ones (as shown in this thread too by the lesser intelligent).

About the Anti-Christ....there are at this moment literally billions of Anti-Christs.
I am not one.
You will find them among Christians, Muslims, Jews, Atheists, Satanists, Agnostics, Buddhists, Hindus, etc.
They donīt need a leader to be more Anti-Christ.

I have to make clear that The Christ has nothing to do with Jesus of Nazareth, that part was later fabricated.


Q:
Gnostic number 13,do you subcribe to the view,that our dualistic reality provides excellent opportunities for souls to develop unconditional love,so they may transcend our dialectic universe,rather than escaping from it?

Do you also believe in the law of balance and karma,allowing a soul to be king in one lifetime,a beggar in the next? If so,it doesnīt really matter whether youīre a member of the elite,it may be a unique experience on soul level,as unique as any role in society,as long as the soul progresses.

Is the historian Laurence Gardner a powerful member of the elite as Icke claims,or is he just an average guy with access to hidden information? Thanks for your communication,Insider.(hope this thread isnīt a practical joke by some juvenile person.Trust youīre for real)


A:
It is the task of every soul to accomplish that while in this human shape.
There is a part that can be called escaping which will be followed by transcending....if failing, reincarnation.
However the word "love" is misunderstood....it is not meant to be the love in human terms which humans are enslaved by.
That is the corrupt version of the real one.

The Divine Law controls what is called karma, but it is much broader and "harsher" than people want to accept.
Example: someone who gets cancer and dies a slow painful death deserves it, that person is being corrected, it is for his own good.
Sounds "harsh"?
Thatīs the way it works.
Just because it comes across as negative in this realm does not mean it is negative in the big picture.
What you are talking about (reincarnating into the opposite of your former life), there is no universal law which states that will definitely happen.
Reincarnation is a fact though, but if you achieve your task there is no reincarnation, no need to experience all levels of life on Earth for they are mainly pointless to experience.

Gardner is one of those persons who wants to be praised and recognised by the people, so he gets it in return for some favors (spreading misinfo which here and there contain the facts, which hooks people).
He was initiated in certain levels but it is not as in depth as one would think (including himself), he is clever though.
He is a member of at least 6 "societies" (although 3 of them are closely linked and could be seen as 1, so 4 at least) but these have only as much power/control as you the people give them.
People like Icke are giving them more power unknowingly.

I am real.


Q:
Is this because Christians teach that individuals should be under the control of a God who is holy? Or should I say, one who judges right and wrong?


A:
Christianity is about idolising a human called Jesus of Nazareth first, which is an abomination.
Christians teach what they have been told to teach by the ones they oppose.
I can tell you who the 4 individuals were who wrote the Hebrew old testament and the exact date, if it suited me.
Same about your new testament which was gathered by 6 people from 2 different areas.


Q:
And why do you misspell simple words such as īmaliciousī? I find that very interesting.


A:
English is not my native language, not even my second nor third, maybe fourth and I type fast without checking so I can answer as many questions as possible in a limited amount of time.
On top of this I just realized I have to type even faster because the proxies I use disappear.


Q:
Why do you choose to speak Now?


A:
Some of us have the task to do it within certain boundaries.
How do you suppose certain knowledge in past times was suddenly there?
Luck, chance, coincidence?


Q:
Questions

0 - What is this Divine Law you talk about?

1 - Why do you MANIPULATE this world?

2 - Why do - YOU - manipulate this world?

3 - How do you know who is allowing you?

4 - Is your job given to you or taken by you?

5 - Are you a Human Being?

-------------- YOU AGAIN -------------

"The Divine Law has a purpose for you and it is not on this planet. Prove you are worthy again to be released."

-------------- ME AGAIN -------------

I know it and i can feel it. There is a purpose for my life.. But I donīt even know who i am let alone that i know what my purpose is.

6 - How is this knowledge gained? By hard work or does it simply happen to one?

7 - Do you know the purpose of yur life? If so how did you learn about it?

Regarding the planet we live on:

8 - On which planet do we live? What is the Planet earth anyway?

9 - What can you tell us about Mohammed (pbuh)?


A:
0. The Divine Law is the manifestation of the Will of the Superior One which not only creates everything that exists within this universe but also maintains, nourishes, balances, energises and renews it.
It also reigns in other realms, including the realm you originally belong to.

1. + 2. I have answered this many times, it is our duty.

3. + 4. Rituals have a purpose.
If you are doing something which was not allowed or doing a task which was not given to you, you will suffer during these rituals.
In your daily life you will notice it too.
Emanations have many forms and one who knows about these matters will have no trouble recognising with whom he is dealing with and what the message is.

5. I am like you present in this human shape.

6. This has been answered by me in a previous post, in short you have the duty to "gain it".
Temperance will lead you to the rightful place from where it all starts.
Before this you must know yourself and what this place is (where most people go wrong), otherwise your thoughts will be filled with error which will lead to erroneous ways.

7. Yes.
These matters are not passed on to you in detail by someone, that actually will lead to the opposite of what needs to be achieved (hence my way of answering, understand this).
You can be guided up to a certain point and then it is up to you.

9. Looking at the way you summon his name I assume you are a Muslim.
It is a "sin" to worship/idolize/praise humans who were part of this planet in any way, shape or form, including when talking/writing about them.
You by adding those letters in brackets have just done that, elevating his name up to that of higher beings.
A human is corrupt while on this planet.....each and single one of them.
A "death" does not change the personality one had and leave behind here, do not feed it.
Praise and prayers may only be offered to perfect beings.

Muhammed was like Jesus, Mozes, Abraham, Buddha, a human who was lead to believe he was a knower, or like mentioned earlier "master of the game".
It is very easy to make humans believe they are enlightened and know the truth...and then thinking it is their task to wake up others.
He was used and his legacy is still being used to divide people, just like the other religions/ideologies/"philosophies".
2 of his closest assistants were servants of the bloodlines, 1 of his wives was too (bloodline servants were also assistants of Jesus, Buddha, Mozes, name them all).
After his death it was made sure by these 3 that his followers would be divided which was the main thing Muhammed was told to be against.
So Muslims who believe in seperate streams of Islam are actually rebelling against their own "prophet"....and that would be pretty much all Muslims.
The kuran has a core of truth but it is floating in a sea of perversions, together with the other "holy" books.
It was written by 4 individuals from 3 "countries" 1 being western, 2 middle-eastern.


Q:
Insider 13 are you Antichrist?


A:
Jesus of Nazareth is not the Christ, nor is anything I have said Anti-Christ.
The ones who claim the opposite are.


Q:
So, is a family where the children are naturally born with this ability *viisualization*, part of the ībloodlineī?


A:
No.
In fact someone who has no connections to these families whatsoever can have this ability too.
This ability is there for everyone to receive.....you have to dial in.
It is being provided by the Divine Law to everything that searches for it.

I tried to make this clear earlier.....the blood/genes/etc are not as important as they seem.
The physical realm is weak and it cannot affect the Divine.
Someone with no connections to the families can be affected by Divinity in such a way that he could surpass anything the bloodlines ever could achieve combined.

Certain individuals get born into the bloodlines to be able to reign over the people under certain circumstances, that is what the bloodline mainly is about.


Q:
To me Elite means those who place money before people or any real values at all....and those who hold office either because they can buy it or inherit it regardless of whether or not they are qualified.


A:
You just skillfully described your kind, not mine.


Q:
are you a Rothschild? Here is my question, although petty in light of the many questions posed to you on this thread, why arenīt the any of the Rothschilds listed in Forbes top 500 richest people.


A:
If you read closely you would have not asked this question.
The ones who are known in public are not in control, the Rothschilds are at the same level as your Knights Templar ancestors were....you shouldnīt be proud that you are from that lineage by the way.

These known families/clans/societies are merely dancers to the tune.
But to answer your question, no I am not a Rothschild.

Which family am I from?
Most here talk about the bloodlines who rule, yet they do not know who they are.
They wrongly assume they are the Bushs/Clintons/Rothschilds/etc. because some theorists "researched" it and some "insiders" told them by providing evidence.
I am from a ruling family whose name rarely has been mentioned in history, noone will even know who we are.

Second, you accepting Forbes as a reliable source for these kind of lists shows you are easily manipulated and do not grasp what is happening.


Q:
Worthy ....an interesting word. Are you expecting those of us who know about the world of polarity and try our best not to play the polarity game, to believe that we need to be worthy? In whose eyes? It can only be our own.

Whatever happened to the idea that īthe Universe is within usī? Gaia and all other dimensional īrealitiesī are Illusions, No? So the prison is an illusion, right?

p.s. Baby, and btw, we DONīT HAVE FREE WILL ON THIS PLANET....perhaps you slip is showing?


A:
Do you know who manufactured this new age nonsense you just promoted?
If this prison is a "true illusion", get out then right now, I dare you.
It is not like in the movies.

You play the victim part.
You do not even accept you have free will, therefore you will always be ruled over, never prevail and deserve everything you get according to universal laws.


I may be back tomorrow.


9/27/2005

Statement by Insider:

Test

Before I start, I have to say I cannot see all posts, some are blank so I may miss questions.
If so ask again.
Refrain from asking the same questions over and over again, first check the thread, check my answers, I do tell about areas which were not asked about but may have been on your mind, read carefully.


Q:
...and if these beings are LUCIFERS...?????
answer in 5 words or less, pleze


A:
You used 12 words and 1 number, without realising it you started a part of a ritual...are you a "being of lucifer"?

Different beings have different characteristics which makes it easy to identify them during rituals.
If it was a "malicious" being guiding me, I would not be talking in the way I do.
Someone who is lead by "malicious" forces cannot utter/write certain words, phrases without it affecting him.
The ones who are lead by them also cannot accept hearing/reading certain things without getting overly mad/agressive (see the thread for examples).
This is when "malicious" beings are present:
Everytime you cuss, talk negative, plot a scheme, get violent, utter lies, support murder, get sexually aroused, get afraid, get jealous, even laugh out loud, being overly joyfull (so all related to emotions/passions/desires), they appear near you.....one, two, three, or more of them.

"Malicious" beings are from this realm, this is their home.
You cannot hate them for they are doing their task, their rightful duty and it is connected to your behaviour....understand, you are the perpetrator, they react.
They never instigate, you do.
If you do hate them you are missing an important part of the reality....respect them up to a certain point.
This will also show you are conscious about them and that will be recognised.
I type "malicious" because they are not malicious, they only appear to you in your manufactured perception to be so.
People are perpetrators who play the victim part.


Q:
1 How does real conciousness interface with this prison?

2 What are the techniques to break the hold of the interface and "free" the conciousness?


1 + 2. Depends what is meant by real conciousness and interface, from where I stand they could be almost the opposite of what you may mean.

Real conciousness is what is provided to you when you are in tune with the Mind of the Universe which operates according to the Divine Law (they are not the same like many are lead to believe).
This Mind penetrates everything, it rules over everything, so if you would connect with it you may experience itīs unlimited power.
No prison can confine this power, hence there will be an escape, you will be guided up to a certain point, yet most work is to be done by you.
But that is just the beginning, much work lies ahead concerning yourself.

I have explained a few times as far as I am allowed to how to connect, at least how to start with it.
It truly is up to you.
I would hesitantly add that studying ancient texts will help (although a lot is filled with perversions and wrong translations, intentionally) but this only after a certain level of awakening, you will recognise/remember the small parts which are true.
If you are not on that level you will take parts of the perversions/wrong translations as the truth (as a few show it here, especially 1 religious stream) and fail.


Q:Care to tell us which it is? You some sorta good guy who gives up tools or do you rule over us?? DId you change your mind or what??


A:
Neutral means in the terms I used, neither negative nor positive, merely providing the tools you can choose to use as you wish....you are the perpetrator.
Or would you say I control every aspect of your life, every hour, every minute, every second and force you what to think/say/do?

Do not be mad at the wrong individual.


Q:
Is it necessary to know why we are here to escape, or just work out where we are?

Are the answers to be found "inside" or by "joining" soocieties, or by appealing top divine intervention, or all three?, or none.


You have answered no other of my questions, I hope I have not offended


A:
It is necessary to have a view of the whole spectrum, when it is partial it will be like looking through the window while it is partially covered with a curtain.
You do not know what is behind that covered part therefore cannot act accordingly.
What covers the whole spectrum?
Understand this place, what and where it is, know what you are, how you came here, why you came here, how to return.
Prepare yourself for the answers, cleanse yourself, reach out for the Mind, speak (within-"with-out") that you are ready, live strictly according to the answers.

Do not join "secret societies", never, whatever the circumstances are.
Also no religions, including the new age, do not accept human gurus/prophets/priests/rabbis/imams/popes/fortunet ellers/"mediums"/dalai lamas/politicians/authors/scientists/"celebrities"/ parents/etc. as legitimate authority on Divine matters....on other matters it is your choice to accept or decline, however accept the consequence.
You only need yourself and the Divine, no intervention by others in bodies....again, no intervention by anybody.
If your father asks you for a glass of water to show if you care for him and are disciplined, do you bring it directly to him or do you take the glass of water to your neighbor and ask him to tell you what it is that your father really asked, while the neighbor did not hear it and now is drinking the glass of water himself?

Am I also a neighbor?
I have not touched the glass of water, I opened the door and told you to go back to your father.

No one has offended me, people offend themselves.
I would be offended if what I say was against the One and if it is, I shall pay.
I answer the questions from where I left and type as much as time allows me.
Sometimes I skip a question because it has been answered, other times the question is irrelevant and now also because I canīt see all posts.


Q:
So, what are your comments on NESARA/PLANET X/POLE SHIFT/FIRST CONTACT/SECOND COMING?

Who or what is behind these fairy tales and why?


A:
NESARA: counterproductive to you personally in the long run.

PLANET X: does not exist anymore like so many planets, moons, stars, galaxies.
Their demise however always brings forth something, which means they never stop being part of the whole, playing their part.

POLE SHIFT: it happened 2 times to my knowledge, in the 2nd and 3rd era, if necessary it will be done again.

SECOND COMING: you returning back to where you belong after you have succeeded, which means a second coming cannot take place on Earth for you do not belong here.
People who are waiting for a "saviour" on Earth to do all the work for them are all failing.
I have noticed some Christians have gotten angry and are attacking me on a personal level by damning me, it is their choice.
I talked more about Christianity than other religions because the questions gave room for that.
I would say and have said similar things about the other religions/ideologies when asked about them.


Q:
What interests me is this: if someone takes the time and trouble to follow up the leads and clues left in numerous books and legends, and sorts out the wheat from the chaff, what then? If that person puts into practice what they have learnt, do they come closer to the truth that the bloodlines evidently have access to?


A:
Yes.
Again, the bloodline is only important for ruling over people, it is not about having a special power that makes one more aware, although the knowledge is being passed on so therefore it appears like that.

But this knowledge is not hidden, the Truth cannot be hidden, It wants to be known by you, inviting you every moment of your life.
That is the reason why It through the ruling powers is being provided to you accompanied with perversions, corrupt additions. to confuse and make you accept the latter.
There is not 1 written book which contains the Truth and nothing but the Truth.

Pick It out and live accordingly to It, incorporate It into every aspect of your life....that is the hardest part for people for you have to float above this physical/material world while being in the body that dictates the opposite.


Q:
How close to the truth are the writings of Neale Donald Walsch in his Conversations with God series?

Are you in any way related to the Bird Tribes mentioned in Ken Carey`s Starseed Millenium books?

Is there much truth in the writings of Sheldan Nidle of Planetary Activation Organization ?


A:
The Native Americans have preserved knowledge succesfully but nowadays (and the last century orso) it is being presented in an erronneous fashion.
Integration is "working".

About the authors mentioned; like I posted before it is not in your interest to accept human intervention/advisors/salesmen between you and the Divine.
They may say certain things which are true, yet it will never be complete.


Q:
Noone on this earth has the power to "free" any of us. Noone outside this earth sees a reason to free any of us. The divine source itself (if there is such a thing) is waiting for us to free our own selves, individually. There will be no "mass ascention" no "mass enlightenment" and "we the people" have all been duped by "we the people" into prolonging our sentence here. We can stay here in this place for eternity if that is our choice, and we have created a belief system that allows us to do so.


A:
I would leave out the sentences "Noone outside this earth sees a reason to free any of us." and "(if there is such a thing)".
About the first sentence, there was a time when there were beings who had the power to do it but that was not their task.
And The Divine Source IS....there is no "waiting", "wanting", etc.

You are on the way, the other post showed that too, but living it is an important part of the task.


Q:
And by Divine Law, Christ was sent here to correct the situation.


A:
Yes, but Christ did not descend into the body of a human called Jesus of Nazareth, 2014 years ago on March 20th, almost 2 hours before sunrise (which is the secret time of birth of your "son of god").
The Christ (which has a different "real" name but I will use this name here) appeared once, just once, and this was in another era, not even close to our era where Jesus of Nazareth also lived in.

Do you know who keeps the knowledge about the real Christ alive?
And do you know who keeps the knowledge about the fake christ(s) alive?

The opposite of what you are thinking.


Q:
Why do all elitists worship lucifer the liar and deceiver?


A:
Billions of people on this planet are serving their own corrupt material/physical/mental/emotional desires, are they all elitist?


Q:
Is there currently a family feud between the "higher beings"?


A:
The higher beings are not in physical bodies, they have no "feuds", they are not under the control of this realm therefore cannot suffer from this.
You are referring to human bloodlines and I reckon it is pretty obvious from what I have been writing here what the answer to your question is....their always have been some who do not do their duty.
I am from a minority.
People do not see a difference between the factions.


Q:
Red Chinese get HAARP retaliation for Rita: Super Typhoon ** Eye for Eye **

?????????????????????????????
What about this`???


A:
Do not pay attention to the "world events", they are all orchestrated to make you pay attention to them.
The struggle you should pay attention to is on a personal level.


Comment by Insider:

Charlane,

Reading what you wrote:

1. You are not acting/talking like one of that lineage, which is a good thing because they were ignoring their task.
It means that subconsciously you have disattached yourself from that lineage (eventhough consciously you may not, this is important to understand).
You have passed a certain level which I did too almost 11 years ago.

2. You excelling in certain areas is not just genes, they have a bit different purpose.
It is about what I mentioned above.

Il vecchio sentiero č vicino *The old path is near*


Comment by Insider:

Oazaki / Hiko Seijuro / Aiki-Mei,

Before accepting a certain knowledge, you have to investigate where it comes from.
Do you know where the "knowledge" that you just typed out comes from, when it was released, how it became and by whose hands?
More importantly, who controlled those hands documenting it?

I am saying this with the best of intentions.
If you knew it, you would not have posted it in that fashion.
Investigate the roots of what you said and see for yourself, it is for your own good.
Knowledge does not just appear out of nothing, it is passed on, always...there are no exceptions.


Q:
And, youīre part of an "elite family", that we despise, yet, no one has ever heard of you?
Why would we despise someone(s), that we donīt know of?
Why do we despise you?
Do we even know that we despise your family?
Or, is it because of what you know about what we consume on a daily basis that we would despise you, if we knew what it was?

and

If the ones we know the names of are not the "true bloodlines" and you say that you are a member of an elite family whom we despise, then you are inferring that we know you, in order that we may despise you. How can this be, if the "true bloodlines" are the names and faces of people we do not know? Is it more the nature of your presence we despise or the position you take in life we despise? And, if that is so, then do all people despise you or just those who do not know or understand your true intent and/or nature?


A:
Last time I will answer this one.

It is about the misconception about who rules.
Terms are being used which do not apply to my family yet they are part of the ruling.
The flawed perception of the nature of the presence and the flawed perception about the positions which lead to affecting the lives of people...again, you are in control.
One cannot despise others because of oneīs own lack of understanding about the matter, yet that is exactly what happens.
I.e. wrong target, wasted energy.


Q:
13, if the divinity is passed down through your blood, what type of blood/rh do you and yours possess? Are you part of the Templars or involved with The Vatican?


A:
Divinity can choose to pass itīs power "down" however it wishes to.
But the blood/genes/physical part is such a small part of how it goes.
In fact it is not a necessity.....sounds like a contradiction?

No, the proof is around you.


Q:
"What you said could happen but it would be done by the ones who control
the lower areas". The ones up higher do it through the daily items
you consume."

I wanna know what you know about this.


A:
I do not know you personally, but I already know I do not eat or drink 90%
of what you do daily (to throw in a percentage). I do not even come close
touching them. It is pretty much everything sold with a few exceptions
here and there.

I must add that there are grades in this and it has a different effect on different people.
To give examples of the 2 extremes of people who have been consuming
them for a long time; some when eating these almost get into a trance,
on others it has no effect whatsoever. Most people are somewhere in between,
it affects them in such a way that they do not notice. They wear out faster, get tired
faster, grow older, think slower, focus on emotional/physical needs,
get health problems that were unheard of 200 years ago at that relatively young age,
i.e. the quality of life declines.

You are not what you eat, but what you eat controls how you feel about yourself,
the way it makes your body respond. Through your own ignorance and laziness,
you hurt yourself. When is the last time you investigated what exactly is in what
you are eating or how your soda got prepared? When looking into it and finding all
these agents and knowing what they are known to cause, ask yourself; would I put
this agent into the mouth of my child and make him/her swallow it?
You are doing that everyday to your child.

Then there are electrical frequencies as you mentioned, it is everywhere and
your house being the most active place. Have you ever cut the electricity off
in your house to see what the difference in vibe is?
You sleep more comfortable for one.


Q:
And, who/ or what do the "elites" answer to?


A:
Everyone answers to the One eventually.


Q:
Ah the elite in the world, the so-called Jet-Set society. Beautiful to a pain, but
always the same, repeatable features among their few types. All other reptilians,
grays, hybrids, human sell-outs, bend a knee to this level.


A:
The jet-set has nothing to do with the bloodlines.....they are your blood.


Q:
Please tell me, what is your favorite occult subject?


A:
Nothing is hidden.


Comment by Insider:

BTN nli,

Answering certain questions or elaborating on certain issues will have the opposite effect of what needs to be achieved, it will not help you.

Omar, who was near him during death but denied the death occured (gaining time) and one who was close to Abu Bakr and lead him to Omarīs speech when he returned from Medina....the wife is more important though.
It does not matter anymore, it has been done.

I do not use email and my presence here will end within days.


Q:
Do you have any connection with the Annunaki that the Sumerians wrote of?

How close to the truth is the book The Illuminatus! Trilogy : The Eye in the Pyramid, The Golden Apple, Leviathan by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson?

Is Moroni, who is mentioned in the Book of Mormon really an extraterrestrial from the Pleiades and are such beings still interacting with humanity at present?


A:
They are not here anymore, that was another era.
Their knowledge was not theirs, knowledge is always passed on hence it being present now.

I have not read it/them (?).
If it is getting critical acclaim and being promoted heavily, you know what time it is.
It may contain some truths, but they will be floating in a sea of perversions.
No one is saying that authors are doing it knowingly by the way.
Some do (praise and recognition loving ones, the ones who "sold their soul"), some donīt and the latter get noticed and promoted because it serves them.
Nothing is easier than to write a best-seller book/hit album/movie script if you know what the highest promoterīs agenda is.

Mormons are like the other religious people controlled by the ones who controlled their "prophets/sons of god/angels/saints/etc".
In this realm a Soul which was in a physical body once can not become an Angel, the Soul cannot transform into that, again in this realm, I repeat that firmly.
Yet it is claimed that Moroni was resurrected as an Angel in this realm.
Mormonism has a core of truth (like the other religions), so reading the texts will not harm you as long you are cautious.


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Q:
What are the foods etc that are used to control us? Is there anything we should and shouldnīt concume that would help us to see the reality more clearly? What constitutes "temperance"? - is it moderation in all things or more than that?


A:
See above for the food part.
It is 1 part of the manipulation, it is used in combination with 6 other methods of control in your daily life.
If you can "delete" a few from your life or have less exposure to them, the effect will reduce dramatically, but this is not what will make you more self-conscious.
These methods are used to wear you out, lower your quality of life.
They are interlinked.

The methods are:
1. Food and drinks
2. Medication, "Health care" (include vitamins)
3. Electrical waves (including your PC and cellphone, house electr. network, everything chipped)
4. Media, be it TV-radio-newspapers-magazines-internet (the most obvious method, yet the most enslaving)
5. Music, Sounds (different method than media, used in a different way although most times through the media)
6. Air pollution
7. Education system (including known literature which is mostly corrupt, be it history, psychology, metapsychology, "philosophy", art, science, poetry, religion, even fairy tales told to infants).

Politics takes these methods and bombard you with this every day and make sure they are maintained.

The rule is:
If promoted/praised/applauded/critically acclaimed/free, be very wary.
Be it food, medicines, latest technological product, "artist", politician, musician, book, show, beverage, etc.
Some of these allegedly "stand the test of time", that is orchestrated for a reason.
Problem is if too wary, you could miss a few gems that are deliberately passed on in between the manipulation tools by some.

There are a few other methods (societies/cults/sects, people policing each other, etc) but the above 6 are the core which has been promoted since the French "Revolution".

Temperance: conscious form of restraint based on self-knowing to achieve inner order of the Soul (which is the unseen you as a whole, the Soul is not a part of you, you are one).
Restraining the emotions/desires/passions/energies does not mean cutting it off (that will harm you, beware), but channeling them to work for higher causes after taming them gently.
This all does lead to a sober life, yet simpler, filled with gifts because you fully become your own master, instead of your emotions/desires/passions dictating you how to be.
Simultaneously with this process you will be cleansing yourself and will be ready to be enlightened by the Universal Mind.

Be like that which you want to connect with as much as possible.


Q:
1. do you have friends who you meet, from outside the bloodline?

2. Do you feel empathy, hate or remorse?


A:
1. Yes, but it is not a wise thing to know many people.

2. The body forces you to experience emphaty, hate, remorse and all other emotions, together with desires and passions, to confuse you, make you forget yourself, become a dumbed-down version of yourself.
They have their foundation in this material/physical world.
The more you let them be your masters, the stronger you will chain yourself to this world, which is contrary to your duty, yet do not loath them, respect.
I channel them to a place where they can be used for something substantial.


Q:
So I am asking HOW does one re-connect with the
divine source? HOW does one rise above this prison?


A:
I reckon my answers today have covered that, if not to you personally ask again, I shall answer tomorrow.


Q:
Iīm not saying each of us IS God, the Ultimate Source, but we are our OWN god due to the fact that we CREATE our own reality!

What say you Insider?


A:
You partially described free will and the impression it can give you, nothing more or less.
Also the word "love" has many traps, especially the way you used it.


Q:
Re: earth is a prison ... Are you referring to Light trapped in matter? If yes, then Iīm beginning to see all the points youīve alluded to so far.

-----------------------------------

A:
Trapped would be the wrong word, it would imply that the Divine had wrong intentions.
Rather, contructed in a way so... or envelopped through...


Comment by Insider:

3nd3r,

Some of the things you described are directly linked to the powers of the Universal Mind.
Like I said, everyone can pick that up.
If you can it means you are at a higher stage than others, however beware of how you use it, it is not yours, not in this realm.
Also it could be a deceiving beginning of something else which many people experience.
I reckon 2 rituals would initiate you and let you truly see what it is but when the time arrives you will be guided to them.


Q:
they include the sheik in the desert whom Jesus encountered during his travels and from whom he received a blessing. Would you happen to know anything about that?


A:
I know some people which Jesus of Nazareth "happened to encounter" were insiders.
The 3 kings being the first right after his birth, which were actually 5 but 2 were present in the background (the number 3 in the story serves a symbolic purpose like so many things, read slowly).
The gifts were the symbolistic artifacts (some ancient) which through rituals would initiate him into his chosen task, for this he needed to travel to certain places.
I have said a few times and I will repeat for the last time, he was not the real Christ, he was made to ap
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey JosheWon Kenobi

Interesting post.

I think when this individual speaks of bloodlines is not the correct word. Since people are thinking about 13 bloodlines as theorized by some christians trying to indentify the AntiChrist. This one who says he is an insider speaks more like a Mahatma (Great Soul) from the Himalayan regions. Since they felt tasked to do the Divine will of the One or their work, were neutral and would rather not go public. But did go public with Helena Petrovna Blavatsky and used her as their mouthpiece. She was not the best messenger in their eyes but she was the best they could find in relaying roughly 10 percent of their esoteric knowledge to humanity.

At the time she was heavy into mediumship and spiritism like seances with friends which the mahatmas or her Master Teacher told her to stop this activity immediately since they viewed it as bad karma (Since it would be harming the components for the next life of the indiividuals lower astral shell (Which will decay enventually and in time and is only a copy) they are trying to contact since the real person or his higher spiritual essence from his former life is in the higher realm and beyond the mediums influence) and as result of her listening to her teacher overnight those who she was involved with in mediumship and seances with talking to the deatd became her mortal enemys and I suspect framed her to be outed by the Hodgeson Report of the Society for Psychical Research but latter vendicated by a another individual who gave a rebuttal in an affidavit in countering the Hodgeson Report as not to be believed and not scientific. And should be read with caution. Since his methods of ariving at truth is very questionable.
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/hpb-spr/hpbspr-a.htm

There was question and answer set up by the Theosophical Society and the Mahatmas that would give answers to people questions and were purportedly using teleportation of sending the letters back in forth before the peoples eyes. Many people probe these mahatmas such as the people of science asked them many questions about the planets in our solar system which were latter proven by the probes NASA send to the outer reaches of the solar system which confirm these answers to the scientific community that were testing them if they really possed some special knowledge.

I read most of the Questions and looked at his answers which most are pretty close to my view of why I am here and that the real purpose is to escape from this world and serve the Divine and conform more to Divine Law. He seemed to know a lot about the Occult operation of this Universe and the ones we don't see the other Worlds and great Beings of Light and Splendour. He mentions it is not a good ideal to join a Secret Society since most are possilbly corrupt and you need to be cautious if they try to usurp your free will. I am a member with one of the Golden Dawn for the purpose of finding the tools, keys and help in helping me connect to the Divine and in the end they can only take you so far but the rest is entirely up to you. The Tools are for the express purpose of purifying the lower animal man where it will serve the higher goal of the Divine that is use this energy to serve the much higher purpose.

But in the end you are the one that has to take the responsibility for your own actions and pay the price or be rewared by Divine Law. If I use magic to perfect and purify myself but if I use it to hurt others the Unvierse through Divine Law will respond with a vengence in the next life or keep me in this hell hole until I figure it out the way of escape and begin my pilgrimage back to the Ineffable Divine One. So what we do , say and think can profoundly alter this universe so in effect we are shooting our self in the foot when we open our mouth. Nor can I save anybody since if I try I will end up hurting that person. It is like someone having pitty on a chick trying as hard as it can to get out of the egg. And out of pitty you (the Savior) using brute force, force the egg open to free the poor baby chicken only to discover it died (even from your perceived good intentions but wrong thinking which led to the wrong action) since it had no strength to live since you robbed it of that by not allowing it to develop character and strength in by it's arduous struggle in pecking its way out of the egg.

It is like the christians that need a savior or their conception of God to save them from themselves (Like the poor baby chicken that died) which they only hurt themselves in the long run.

Like he says there is no one book that contains the Ultimate truth. Your real task is seeking the Divine essence within youself to experiance this only if you are honest with yourself then your journey will begin to higher illuminations by Divine Light. Others will see that light within you and want to know but not many but it will take Aeons of time before many will see the big picture but it will be based on their own self initiatives of wanting to know and not someone forcing them to know since that would be an unnatural action on your part to coerce someone to follow you very bad Karma in store for you in the next life.

Just my two cents worth on the above post.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was heartening and very helpful. I am much more at ease now about somethings i suspected. blah blah...if you ever read this bloodline brotha..Thank you.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While reading I copied a few bits for me to remember to pass on to some, close to me.

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The Divine Law controls what is called karma, but it is much broader and "harsher" than people want to accept.
Example: someone who gets cancer and dies a slow painful death deserves it, that person is being corrected, it is for his own good.
Sounds "harsh"?
Thatīs the way it works.

This is when "malicious" beings are present:
Everytime you cuss, talk negative, plot a scheme, get violent, utter lies, support murder, get sexually aroused, get afraid, get jealous, even laugh out loud, being overly joyfull (so all related to emotions/passions/desires), they appear near you.....one, two, three, or more of them.

Do not join "secret societies", never, whatever the circumstances are.


There are a few other methods (societies/cults/sects, people policing each other, etc) but the above 6 are the core which has been promoted since the French "Revolution"
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I have human blood dating back to this (Michel Ney under Naploean I) through freemasonry ties. Glad to see Insider spoke to this era a bit .Absolutely, a fascinating post. Thank you.

My cat was staring at me almost the entire time I was reading this (I'm a really slow reader too). She's so adorable. Time to go pet her.
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