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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:30 pm    Post subject: Orgone, ether and thinking Reply with quote

This is continuing from the discussion on WM about ether.

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Golfboy said: Where you start getting into the spritiual world, there is still a large gap between what science knows today versus what really is.


I"d say that mateiral science knows very little, because it's only concerned with the outer appearances of things, not the living inner content, so it worships false idols. But spiritual science can know the inner reality - that's what Steiner and Reich are all about. To what extent each individual can engage with that is a matter of their own level of consciousness.

It's not a matter of some collective entity called "science" that knows reality, but it's for us individually to engage with it. We're not in the world of collectivism anymore, and group consciousness doesn't move us forward anymore - we have to do the work personally.

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Even you and i don't have a complete understanding on that.


We don't, to the extent that we still have armoring that keeps us from engaging the truth, but it's a process of moving in that direction.

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so how about this: what is a thought?


I think it's pretty interesting that we can think about thought Smile. And my teacher could talk for a whole weekend on just that. But I'll just say that we can't understand what a thought is until we understand the function of thinking. And to do that, we have to get into the mindset of functional thinking, which is about polarities..

We have this polarity of the universe, between the upper, cosmic, spherical forces and the lower, earth, radial forces. That is reflected in the polarity of the human being and the polarity of two types of thinking - one is conscious, that comes from those upper forces, and the other is the lower, more intuitive and instinctual forces.

The intuitive forces have an etheric quality, all about flow and movement, like a river that doesn't have clear distinctions but just flows, just is. In order to have a conscious thought, we have to interrupt that flow. In that moment, a thought occurs.

This is the real function of the heart, too, to interrupt the flow of blood and bring consciousness. The interruption is a kind of compression or a death force, as opposed to the etheric life forces which are expansive. So consciousness and thinking actually involves a kind of death, which we need in order to further life.

So if we just flowed with instinctual thinking, we'd never be able to generate a creative, conscious thought. In order to evolve in consciousness we have to generate our own thoughts creatively, not just go back to the primordial being-ness of thought that eastern mysticism wants us to.

So a creative thought is generated by the action of the upper ego/astral forces interrupting the flow of the lower etheric forces. Again, this is the polarity that Reich spoke of, the interpenetration of forces that drives the universe.

Of course there's lots more that could be said about thinking, but I think the point is that we have to get used to thinking in terms of polarity, the dynamic functionalism that Reich developed. Otherwise we're stuck in the intellect, trying to analyze and dissect things in a way that isn't alive - no wonder public education feels so deadening!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Karen,

I posted my response of different inpretations of peoples concept of Ether but that is just a name and you really have to experiance it as being part of the Universal Spirit we all call God but that is where our so called religions come into place to try to humanize the One Infinite Source of us all but instead gives us a terriblly flawed and corrupted concept of this Infinite Universal Spirit which still leaves us still lost in delusions of what life is really all about and in the end results in our having unhappiness, suffering and pain due to our own ignorance as well as the things other people inflict on us due to their own ignorance as well. And many individuals over time have used the Humanized version of God to enslave us through their selfishness and quest for absolute power which in the end they lose.

I can never truly understand what this true One Universal Spirit is really all about at least on the Human Level since things such as our so called attachments will blind or cloud the real true meaing of what the Universal Spirit is all about. And due to our attachments or illusions will keep us in those illusions that we and all are separate. I have to transcend myself or die to my self and truely live since that is a hard one to accomplish for a lot of people but that is the key to reconnecting back to the Divine Universal Infinte Spirit and thus becoming illuminated or Enlightened and as a result your new found purpose in the continuity of life will be to serve this One Infinite Universal Spirit in service to All.

Here is an excerpt from Jon Peniel Book "The children of the Law of One the lost teachings of Atlantis"
http://www.atlantis.to/

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To summarize, The Children of the Law of One teach that The Universal
Spirit, rather than being an ‘individual’ as we know it - is a ‘multiplicity’ that is
‘One’. It comprises, and is, all things in the entire Universe, together as One. It
is the ‘beingness’, energy, essence, and life force that is everywhere and everything
in the Universe, including us, including nature - and including the Universe itself.
And it has a consciousness.
Also included as part of the One Universal Spirit (and the Oneness that is the
Universal Spirit), is a ‘hierarchy’ of spiritual beings who exist on many different levels.
You might think of them as angels, guardian angels, ascended masters, adepts
or saints who have ‘passed on’, etc.. Being free from the limitations of physical life,
they exist in spiritual form, and share the same consciousness as the Universal
Spirit (‘Universal Consciousness’). They are consciously part of, One with, and an
aspect of, the Universal Spirit. Hierarchical beings thus act in harmony with the
Will of the Universal Spirit, as if they were ‘arms’ or extensions of it. Yet, they are
somewhat related to us, and thus close to us also, so they are ‘links to’ the entirety
of the Universal Spirit, who can help guide us, and have certain influences in our
lives.”
“Is that like what some people call ‘guardian angels’?”
“Yes. But it is just one of the many beings that form the link of the hierarchy.
And the Universal Spirit is also comprised of this great link of Oneness.

Interesting stuff some of it is about the authors experiance at the monastery in Tibet as a monk of a particular order in his quest to know the truth about what life is all about since at one point he wanted to kill himself and before he followed thourgh wilth killing himself started to flip through the channels on his TV especially on the UHF channel which he turned to since it did not exist at the time and was long ways off in the future and was shocked to see a Tibetian monk dressed in Essene type of Robe on this UHF channel willing to answer his questions about life and what it really is all about and told him how to reach their monastery he's says up front people are not going to believe me and all my strange stories as incredible as they may sound but that is not the issue with him but to teach certain universal truths that has haunted man since his separation from the Universal Spirit and feeling lonely and separated but it is all an illusion of each of our own making and did not happen overnight. When we reconect back to this Universal Spirit which comprise the ALL then we will truly find happines and peace and most of our questions will be answered but not all but most.

The teaching of the "The Children of the Law of One" were teachings of an order in Atlantis that wanted to maintain that link to the Universe, Nature and the Infinite Universal Spirt that is the Author of us ALL and the Kosmos. Although it did not begin in Atlantis but is very ancient. After the fall of Atlantis many escaped before this happened since they saw the writing on the wall so to speak and were many miles long gone. According to the Author an Adept by the name of Thoth and his disciples escaped to Eygpt to continue their way and spread it to help people know the truth in Service to the One Infinite Universal Spirit they were constanly in Awe of.

Doug


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Doug,

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I posted my response of different inpretations of peoples concept of Ether but that is just a name and you really have to experiance it as being part of the Universal Spirit we all call God


exactly.. the intellectual abstractions aren't it. we have to embody it, make the truth our own.

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but that is where are religions come into place to try to humanize the One Infinite Source of us all.


i would say that religion is the attempt to connect back to God, but we want to connect *forward* Smile. not to go back to immerse ourselves in the oneness of God, because that's not freedom. But to go back home with our full consciousnes intact. That's something that religion can nevr do.

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I can never truly understand what this true One Universal Spirit is really all about at least on the Human Level since things such as are so called attachments will blind or cloud the real true meaing of what the Universal Spirit is all about. And due to our attachments or illusions will keep us in the that illusion that we and all are separate. I have to transcend myself or die to my self and truely live since that is a hard one to accomplish for a lot of people but that is the key to reconnecting back to the Divine Universal Infinte Spirit and thus becoming illuminated or Enlightened and as result your new found purpose will be to serve this One Infinite Universal Spirit in service to All.


yes - you serve your own true desire, which is connected to God, but you can only do that by transforming the false desires, and that's the initiatory process, which isn't for everyone. not everyone is cut out to take the red pill Smile. but if it's your destiny, you will, as far as this particular body can take you, and then you get a new one to go further. it's not an easy path.. we have to literally rebuild our bodies to be fit containers for spiritual energy, and that involves tearing down the old structures and rebuilding, and oftentimes that means being sick, but it's really part of this process of renovation.

Re. the higher spiritual beings, many of them actually can't progress any further in their evolution until they incarnate in physical form.. some are specifically to further our development, some are to act as resistance to our development so that we can strengthen ourselves through struggle.. there's a lot more to understand about them, which I've only skirted the surface of, but Rudolf Steiner has written more than I'll ever be able to read on that subject Smile. The book Our Spiritual Companions is a good one,

But I think the most important aspect of understand these beings is that we needed to separate from them for our own growth. Steiner says that up until the age of about 27 now, we're guided by spiritual beings, but then we have to go it on our own. People of ancient cultures used to just get wiser and wiser as they got older, because the spiritual world was doing their growth for them. But now we've been given the gift of being cast out on our own so that we could learn to rely on our own inner resources and develop ourselves. We can only be free when we go it on our own and make our experiences our own.

Now we can't just go to masters to get infusions of truth and immerse ourselves in the universal oneness, although people are still attracted to that way, but personal freedom and responsibility doesn't grow there. That was the old way, which was appropriate for the ancient eras, but the keynote of this post-Atlantean era is personal freedom and consciousness. That's our role in the universe now, according to my own understanding.

Now the task is to develop ourselves, purify ourselves of the dark forces that we had internalized, gradually as we become more read to stand on our own. Until we can handle the higher charge of truth, we actually need the illusions to buffer us, so we gradually acclimate to a healthier condition. It's tough - it means going through the dark night of the soul, confronting our inner demons. No one really wants to do it, but it's like taking the red pill - some of us know that our higher desire lies in that direction, and we can't refuse. That's love.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm out of my mind for making that choice. And sometimes I wonder how I got myself into this mess. Then in the next moment, I remember, yeah, this is exactly what I asked for! Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Karen for your input it made me stop and think what you are saying.

The bottom line in gathering and acquiring spritual knowledge is that it is useless if it don't have a tranforming effect on myself or others it is just simply head knowledge.

The Adepts say that knowledge in and of itself is completely and utterly worthless without Unselfish love that equates to caring , kindness, compassion , giving and harmlessness. Since with possessing spiritual knowledge alone I am but a fool Karen.

Sort of like the fool who told people about the knowledge of water while in the Sahara Desert who despearatly wants that water himself but hasn't quite figured out how to get the water himself and become one with it let alone give it to his thirsty companions.

Another Quote from the "The Children of the Law of One"

“As you begin to expand your consciousness beyond your self, you start realizing (not just believing or “having faith”) that there is more to life and the Universe than meets the eye. Creation isn’t just haphazard. There is One Great Something behind it all. And it pervades everything, including you, including all other people, animals, life, even the Earth and the Universe. As your Universal/Spiritual consciousness continues to grow, you start understanding the underlying connection of everything more and more, until you eventually have the realization that others are actually part of you, and you a part of them, and you are ALL one. Brothers and Sisters - all Children of One Universal God. As your spiritual consciousness grows you also feel, and manifest, Unselfish Love, and the ‘real world’ spiritual virtues that are reflections of Unselfishly Loving - Caring, Kindness, Compassion, Giving, and Harmlessness. THESE are the things that ARE truly important, and the earmarks of TRUE SPIRITUALITY.”

Oddly enough, it works in both directions. Even though developing spiritual consciousness brings forth Unselfish Love, Unselfish Love also brings forth spiritual consciousness. In fact, one of the main things that develops spiritual consciousness, is developing your Unselfish Love for others, feeling Unselfish Love, and practicing kindness, caring, giving and harmlessness. So most importantly, the teachings have the potential to stimulate and inspire the reader to do what it takes to actually manifest in their lives, these true spiritual qualities. If such a spiritual change takes place within you, then all the people you come into contact with as you walk through your life, will be better off from having known you, and then they too will have the opportunity to change, and spread the beauty of Unselfish Love to others still - and on and on. Like multiple ripples in a pond that go on and on from throwing just one rock, your Unselfish Love can make you a part of, and a vehicle for, the Universal Spirit, as it moves through you, us, and thus throughout the world. Karen this present World we live in would be a much nicer place or heaven if we all practiced this rather then talk about it as some ideal but something that can become a reality someday or some time in the distant future.


When I actually start becoming more adept at loving people at least in this world even those that don't love me back then I am growing spritually by putting into practice the knowledge or Universal Principals or Law of the Universal Infinite Divine One not because it is the right thing to do but because I want to be like the One Universal Infinite Spirit in his nature to Unselfishly love me in spite of my long journey of troubles in this life and the previous one so in like manner I need to practice loving those people in spite of their nasty selves in not living up to my standard since it is not about me but the other persons well being that is most important.


Doug
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for continuing this great discussion. I couldn't find it initially, so it's cool to get a couple of nice comments in.

anyways i do have grandiose ideas of trying to write a unified theory to finally unite science and orgnoe and being able to prove it mathematically. I'm taking abstract math, linear algebra, differential equations, and calc based physics 2. (electricity and magnetism). Should be some classes that i'd actually be interested in for once, because the mechanist laws work very well and accurately describe anything that science can measure well. Nothing but math equations for those who comprehend it that way. I just need to brush up on my calculus a bit and i'll be good to go after some more reading and experimentation. Having an intuitive knowledge from working with orgonite is only going to help. I did order crystals before i got some tatical orgonite, so i've been working with crystals and minerals a lot longer than actual orgonite. There's a lot to be learned about chemistry and the vibration of matter, which will have to wait another year before i get psyched up to take dreaded orgo and advanced chemistry. My goal is to work through as many advanced science courses as i can on the way to a BS degree and do a final project with orgone somehow. Maybe my stab at a unified theory, or at least creating a lot of bridges on the way.

in the meantime i'm reading as much as i can and seeing what applies to the human body, particulary with the zapper, vitamins (C!), and trying to correlate it to the chemistry as best as i can right now. I would probably have to finish out the chemistry courses through biochem and physical chem which are quite challenging at the moment. I may be able to plant a few seeds of thought along the way.

comon, you have to admit every math and physics nerd has his sights set on the same thing? Be the next kepler, newton, einstien. The true greats were still open minded despite attemps such as the michealson moorley experiment widely used to discredit the ether, and wilhem reich's attempt to demostrate it to einstein. I do hope to find several ways to conclusivly show the benefits of orgone and its technology. Even better if i can build a joe cell and a few advanced electronic orgone devices on the way, and taking a stab at the legendary free energy devices.

until then, if i have spare time and i'm not active with pouring/gifting, i'm going to build as much of a conceptual framework in my mind while i build up some more practical skills to attack the problem. Describing the flow and negative entrophy properties should well be within the reach of calculus, but if i have to learn about einstein-bose condensates and more complicated math, so be it. Hopefully i can get a couple of math whizzes interested along the way, but it would take them a long time to catch up. Very Happy

so yea, i do have quite the luciferic drive and i need to channel it properly. At the same time i'm not sure i would have even found orgonite without that drive. Everyone dreams of becoming rich as well right? It seems like the introduction of a select few devices could substantially increase the wealth and living standards of the whole world, and i think it would be as simple as reproducing blueprints from sites such as magneticenergy.co.uk and the joe cell, as well as replicating and modifying the hulda clark zapper.

lots to do. Some of within my reach, some of it not. I have very little proficiency with car engines and stuff like that, my expertise if any is more limited to electronics. I think learning with the proper perspective (which very few people do at this point in time) would make it a lot easier for me in advanced science courses and help me find different ways to describe orgone to satisfy different branches of science.

a little background: i started out as a computer engineering major as i thought it would be the best path to a great career. Second semester the professor scared me off and i switched to bioinformatics. I'm still registered in bioinformatics, but the last year i took a schedule more geared to a mis degree. I'll try nearly any experience that seems like it would help my general understanding of the universe.

so what's all this i hear about multiple universes and stuff like that? It seems like a concept that only an elite few individuals in an elite few civilizations would advance to the level of creating other universes. I suspect its more of a collective effort. Do we create a parallel universe with out thoughts? What about probabilities and future potentials? What kind of experiences did the prophets see? What is the nature of the ashkatic records?

answers to many of these questions would prove many methods that would come in handy in a legitimate quantum computer. It'd probably be formed out of silicon crystal somehow with intricate structures, and seems to be well within the grasp of companies like intel, amd, ibm, and anyone else with a nice fab plant. There's also a lot of computer science stuff i struggle with and would like to write a new language from scratch, but unix will have to do for now. Again, stuff many computer nerds aspire to do.

many different devices could be formed from applications of the different qualities of orgone. Fire seems quite interesting to me at this point, despite most orgonic functions being cold.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is in response to Doug's last post.

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The bottom line in gathering and acquiring spritual knowledge is that it is useless if it don't have a tranforming effect on myself or others it is just simply head knowledge.T[he Adepts say that knowledge in and of itself is completely and utterly worthless without Unselfish love that equates to caring , kindness, compassion , giving and harmlessness. Since with possessing spiritual knowledge alone I am but a fool Karen.


exactly. then it's just abstract awareness or belief. our task is to activate our true (objective) desires, which is love, and that's what drives real compassion as opposed to do-good-ism. The more we release the armoring that blocks that, the more we can appropriate true knowledge, the Logos.

I understand this in term of polarity again, as everything that's true is living, and all life is polarity. There is a polarity between awareness and consciousness.

Awareness is a function of the intellect, which comes from the upper pole of being, or upper man, working in the realm of the senses - we perceive ordinary objects and have awarenesses. That's only the outer appearances of things, the "idols of the mind."

We need the function of the intellect in order to do quantitative linear thinking (another polarity between quantitative/qualitative). But the more wholistic thinking is a function of the nether (lower) pole of instinct and intuition. Because most of us are split, we use both functions but not in an integrated way.

The nether man is trapped in materialism, and this is the "man in the trap" that Reich talks about, that has to be liberated. Not by feeding ourselves more and more intellectual awareness, but by transforming the subconscious forces into consciousness. That process has actually been mapped out functionally, so we can understand how it works rather than just accepting it as an abstract concept.

I think what you're posting from the Children of the Law of One is essentially true but in mystical language that can leave us confused about the process. When we hear ideas like "expanding consciousness beyond yourself,' we dont really know what that means or what to do with that. Then it becomes intellectual abstraction, something to adopt as a belief rather than to truly know.

Personally, I've "known" this stuff most of my adult life but never embodied the knowledge in a living way, because it was abstract. My upper self was aware but I wasn't able to engage my lower self, so I couldn't fully embody the knowledge, bring it down to the earth level to actually use it. It's fun to play with cosmic awarenesses, but ultimately we have to ground it.

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Karen this present World we live in would be a much nicer place or heaven if we all practiced this rather then talk about it as some ideal but something that can become a reality someday or some time in the distant future.


I agree on one level.. What you describe is reality, but we need to go through a lot of experience to develop ourselves, and that's the purpose of all the ignorance and suffering. So I don't look to the ideal and say that it would be great to get there. In one way, of course it would, but also, we can appreciate the gift that we're receiving by going through this vale of tears. It's not just a miserable situation, but it's exactly what we need in order for us to transform our subjective desires into the true objective desires that come from the higher self.

Otherwise, we're not living in the present, only a hope for some better condition in the future. When you're not living in the present, you suffer. So that doesn't really work.

Mostly we don't yet know how to practice unconditional love - and when people try, it's mostly do-good-ism or coming from a neurotic need to please or be loved. The idea of unconditional love can become some ideal that we get attached to, and just another form of moralism.

We have to go through the experiences we need to go through that allow us to confront all the dark stuff that stands in the way of true compassion. It doesn't work to just keep pouring more and more light on top of everything. We have to go THROUGH the darkness, confront it and transform it, and there is no short cut to the light. It's Lucifer that wants to tempt us with a shortcut Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Golfboy,

Thanks for that background and telling us about your plans. I hope you understand that I just want to clarify, and I'm not trying to rain on your parade Smile Whatever we do that comes from that creative spark that comes from love, is going to take us in the right direction.

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anyways i do have grandiose ideas of trying to write a unified theory to finally unite science and orgnoe and being able to prove it mathematically. I'm taking abstract math, linear algebra, differential equations, and calc based physics 2. (electricity and magnetism).


Quantum physics tries to do that, but like the duck that walks toward the pond and with every step he covers half the distance, he can never actually get there. i don't think the idea is grandiose, but to me it's like looking for the lost wallet under the streetlamp because that's where we have more light to see. We have more light at the present time to see the world of sense perception moreso than the supersensible world. But if all the action is taking place in the supersensible world, why are we trying to push the sensible world to show us something that ultimately it doesn't have?

This I think is where Einstein departed company with Reich. Reich went into the supersensible world of powers, forces and energies that originate in the supersensible world, and he demonstrated how they work as real phenomena. He didn't try to explain it all mathematically, because those functions are outside the jurisdiction of mathematics.

I think there's a deeper issue here for many of us, and I'm not sure if it applies to you, but I think it's worth mentinoing. And that is that many people feel the need to get validation for their worldview, and they look to mainstream science and the authority structures of the Matrix to give that validation. I think we have entrenched beliefs that are very hard to let go of, that still tell us that mainstream science is the final authority, and if we have a different paradigm, we need to keep trying to fit our round peg into a square hole, even by force.

So some people might do well to look at their motivation for wanting to "convince" others of what they know to be true. Is it coming from an underlying insecurity that needs validation? That's a tipoff that fear is the motivation. For me, sometimes it's about wanting to bridge a gap between myself and the other person so it's not so lonely. Fear again.

But it's only when you live your authentic life without fear of what anyone else thinks, that you can be free to resonate with the frequency of love. Then you have everything, and you set an example for the next person to make that same journey.

I'm not suggesting not to pursue your approach using mathematics. If that stimulates your creative imagination, you go for it, because then you'll always learn something and come out ahead.

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My goal is to work through as many advanced science courses as i can


You might like to take a look at the school where I'm studying Dr. Hahnemann's medical system, because there's a Dynamic Philosophy program that covers all this but from the dynamic point of view that Reich taught, which you won't find taught in any other university in the world.

http://homeopathy.com/dph.html

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comon, you have to admit every math and physics nerd has his sights set on the same thing? Be the next kepler, newton, einstien. The true greats were still open minded despite attemps such as the michealson moorley experiment widely used to discredit the ether, and wilhem reich's attempt to demostrate it to einstein.


It dependson what you mean by open-minded. Most people are too armored to be able to tolerate having the entire foundation of their world ripped from under them. Even Einstein couldn't, and even the most brainy people are sometimes the most armored people. They can go to the ends of quantum physics, where my brain can't go, but they can't make the leap to a different paradigm because they have deep emotional blockages that put up a brick wall. It's not about openmindedness.

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so yea, i do have quite the luciferic drive and i need to channel it properly. At the same time i'm not sure i would have even found orgonite without that drive. Everyone dreams of becoming rich as well right?


What I want is to live a rich life, and I trust that as I work on myself and keep opening to more of myself and activatnig my objective desires, my whole economy of being becomes a free economy, and that's how wealth comes in!

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so what's all this i hear about multiple universes and stuff like that? It seems like a concept that only an elite few individuals in an elite few civilizations would advance to the level of creating other universes. I suspect its more of a collective effort. Do we create a parallel universe with out thoughts? What about probabilities and future potentials? What kind of experiences did the prophets see? What is the nature of the ashkatic records?


i think we first have to ground ourselves in a phenomenology before letting our intellects loose on those questions. The false ego loves to fly away into abstractions! Rudolf Steiner lays the groundwork for the phenomenology so we have something to stand on.

But also, people try to understand him in an intellectual way unless they've worked on themselves enough to open to the dynamic view that reveals the inner functions in a simpler way. I couldn't get through a page of Steiner before - my puny intellect just will not go there Smile. And it's about as palatable that way as eating sand.

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many different devices could be formed from applications of the different qualities of orgone. Fire seems quite interesting to me at this point, despite most orgonic functions being cold.


Orgonic functions seem cold when we're not looking at the dynamic function that brings it to life. Life is very warm Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Karen,

Thanks for your response. Lately I been wondering about some of the stuff I been reading like Children of the Law of One is little hard to swallow that is some of this authors experiance and where he is comming from other then the good points he makes. Point is I have to use some discearnment as well as use my intuition and which is all I got at the moment not Elightened like the so call Buddha guy. I really have no direct knowledge except a spiritual experiance I had with the Divine which was totally unexpected, profound and life changing by simply meditating for the moment while I was standing on certain truths of the Divine which I acknowledged within my heart my Soul thus being transformed. Still not their yet where I just know without having to read books to try to see the big picture. I guess in this life mine has be quest to find peace within ones hear or maybe my true Orgin what I call can call truly my home.

Golfboy thank you for sharing. You appear to have a scientific mind much like myself always wanting to know things, as well as searching for the truth. Since at an early age I was very curious about the world around me and a explorer. Everything from Astronomy, collecting bugs, looking through microscopes at one cell creatures in stagnant pond water or created the stagnant water myself. My dad when he was a around had an inquistive mind like myself his main topic was Physics somewhat pursued other subjects like Electronics and the Paranormal and latter he developed a love for Computers. We latter built a 6 inch Reflector and order all the supplies from Edmund Scientific up in New Jersey took along time to grind the glass into a concave mirror although when we installed this mirror into a aluminum frame we were lacking one of those Clock Drives so when the Earth moves the Moon would move as well so we had to keep moving the telescope to track the moon and other objects. His IQ was up ther and latter joined Mensa here in KY. My education experiance is Electronics. Mostly I do computer graphics programing as a hobby simlar to people in the games industry. But there is more to me then meets the eye. I have fair amount of Math at least up to pre Calculus. I understand what Calculus is used for you know like the Slope or Change of x over y but used to find the slope at a certain point on complex curve or varible slope the integral is the opposite function. I thought about one time becoming a Electrical Engineer in the Electronics field not the HVAC stuff. Basically Computer Programing in C++ is my Language of I am using for program developement.

Doug
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Doug,

I'm no Buddha either, but in my understanding, that's not the path for us anyway, whew! Intuition is important to develop, but we don't want to just have purely intuitive, subjective experiences, because that doesn't further consciousness. It's interesting, but what do we do with it? That's where spiritual science comes in, to transcend the false dichotomy between the mystical, intuitive knowing vs. the concrete intellectual knowing.

There is a way to know the supersensible realm but with objectivity, consciousness, otherwise experiences happen TO us and we're passive recipients of experience, and that's not freedom.

I think there's a reason why we're so heavy on intellectual capacity relative to pure spiritual experience. We have to use the intellect but as a servant, not master. Gone are the days when we could just hang out in the spirit world and be all blissful. We don't get it so easily anymore. We have to earn it with blood, sweat and tears, but then when we finally do, truth becomes really ours. A marriage made in heaven that can not be rent asunder, or however that goes!

I'm not an electronics person, but that was my father's profession Smile.

-Karen
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok so a thought...

there are many thoughtforms out there

a thought form is an idea that can congeal into matter, such as a can of pop or succor punch, or whatever have you. Anything you can create is in there. It gains hold when it has been turned into matter by whatever method. This could also be how rocks are shaped in nature. our body is one big thougthtform. to understand your body is to understand more about yourself. it seems to me orgone energy is what thoughts are made of. How they all congeal to matter could entail the meaning of life.

a cool place i tripped over on my internet pursuit...this was after someone mentioned a mormon realtor that suddenly switched courses to property management two years ago.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ether/contents

the book of ether. Could it be?

basically what i see is that the book of mormon seems to be the edition of the bible with the most light in it. The context of the bible changes dramatically with their concept of god, and how they have held true to the principles of the holy spirit, and embraced prophets who broke through the veil.

on a totally unrelated note i was examining some lemurian quartz points and a couple of tibetian pieces, and it seems like the tibetian quartz pieces were to hold a specific frequency in the earth, and the lemurians are record keepers of the frequency in the earth. I think you would see some common patterns if the laser etching in the lemurians were plotted graphed and time dated. As far as i can figure, there seems to be big events in the records marked by striations and changes in crystal growth. It seems these striations can be correlated by the fact that lemurians have a common origin. There are other record keeper crystals but the lemurians are a very specific type originating from this one mine as i understand it. Basically i can figure is that these crystals were forming for a very long time and surfaced just recently. These lemurians are now the must 'up to date' record keepers, and i'm sure there's other pocket of similar record keeper type crystals taking on the vibration of different places and the purpose for these places. Tibet seems to be useless for record keepers as they seem to want to grow towards one unified vibration. Why brazil was chosen to be a record keeper site, i have no idea. That just seems to be the purpose of that specific area.

to expand on the striations thing, there seems to be a cataclysmic event somewhere in the center in larger nicer pieces, which i'm assuming hold records closer to the beginning, and the smaller ones tend to be younger. My guess is that the big cataclysmic event was the fall of atlantis and there are other similar striations further down the crystal. the way i see it, the base of the crystal is the oldest striation and the tip is the youngest portion of the crystal. going off this, it is now possible to plot a record through the etheric with some simple time dating and chart making.
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