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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:30 am    Post subject: The Vegan Way Reply with quote

To be alive in this decade is an adventure and a challenge. These are times of great change and of powerful forces at work. Although problems such as overpopulation,pollution,war,and world hunger may seem overwhelming, there is also great reason for hope. New understandings are dawning in the minds and hearts of people around the world.

Public health studies in American reveal that the epidemics of heart disease and cancers have been conclusively linked to unhealthful diet. The high fat, high protein, low fiber diet consumed by most Americans, clogs the human system as surely as using kerosene for fuel could ruin the engine of your car.
It is now clear that the human body becomes lean,strong and healthy when run on a "fuel" free of the fat of animals and rich in the grains,seeds,nuts,
legumes,fruit,and vegetables that the Earth provides so generously. Such has always been the natural human diet, but now it offers itself as a key for our survival as individuals and as a species.

Non-violence in obtaining food is the world's next step in development.
The preparation and enjoyment of this food does not cause suffering too any feeling creature. With the simple act of ceasing to eat animals, the body not only becomes healthier, but the entire planet becomes a saner, gentler home for ALL its inhabitants. Improved health is the deserved reward for those who eat a harmless diet.

Enjoy the foods grown from the bounty of the Earth. It is the right food for humans. Your body will thank you for your wisdom,ad the animals for your compassion.

Not only are the colors,aromas, and flavors of vegan cuisine a delight for the senses, but how animal-free food meets your body's nutritional needs borders on a panacea. Rest assured that ALL your requirements for protein,carbohydrates,vitamins,minerals, and fiber are fully supplied by the wide range of grains,legumes,vegetables,seeds,nuts, and fruits used in vegan cookery.


Our cells, those building blocks of our body, are made to run on carbohydrates- the sugars and starches from plants. Carbohydrates are burned for energy, unlike animal fat which is stored under our skin. Calories from animal fat tends to "stick" to you, while those from carbohydrates do not. You don''t need to worry about "gaining weight on all that starch" in potatoes, whole grain breads, and pastas IF you are not also eating animal fats in meat and dairy products.

MEAT-EATING AMERICANS EAT TOO MUCH PROTEIN. Eating meat floods the body with protein waste products. The kidneys must "flush" these wastes into the urine and calcium is used to do this. The continuing urinary loss of calcium eventually robs calcium from the bones, leading to osteoporosis("thin bones"). Vegetable protein, especially in whole grain, fiber-rich form, is "safer" protein, less concentrated, and absorbed slowly through the bloodstream. The small amount that we need each day(20 - 40 grams, or about the weight of ten pennies) is amply supplied by the protein-rich vegis and fruits below. As for meeting your vitamin and mineral needs, those are in abundance in the green and yellow vegetables below as well.

Try not to overcook any food. Avoid using refined carbohydrates like White sugar and white flour, and try not to mix fruits and vegetables too much at the same meal. It is also advisable to delay drinking water for at least 30 minutes after a meal to avoid diluting the digestive juices. Take time to enjoy the chewing and tasting of this wonderful food!


Protein resides in abundance in the following food groups. Remember that creating meals that combine foods from several different groups increases the value of the protein.

WHOLE GRAINS- Cereals,breads,pastas,or "dinner" grains like rice,millet,
barley,corn,etc. in millet casseroles,grain loaves,sauteed vegetables over rice, whole grain noodles in lasagna,spaghetti,etc.

LEGUMES- The entire bean family, including versatile soybean products like
tofu and textured vegetable protein(t.v.p), in e.g. tofu sandwich spreads
or cutlets, tofu omelets,tofu or t.v.p mixed into spaghetti sauce or vegetable and grain casseroles,tofu puddings or deserts,peas,all sprouts,
(alfalfa,soy,mung,lentil,chick peas,sunflower seeds,etc.) served raw in salads, lentils,and garbanzo beans, cooked or made into spreads like hummus.

GREEN VEGETABLES- Broccoli,spinach,collards,kale,beet tops,mustard greens- lightly steamed, or served raw in salads or with dips- are excellent protein sources.

SEEDS AND NUTS- Sunflower seeds,pumpkin seeds, sesame seeds(tahini), peanuts, almonds, walnuts, cashews, filberts, Brazil nuts, macadamias, pistachios,in salads, dinner meals like sautes and gravies, nut butters, or whole grain bread for sandwiches; with breakfast cereals, fruit bowls, desserts,etc.


CALCIUM- Green leafy vegetables: kale,broccoli,collards(one cup of any of these greens,cooked, has approximately the same calcium content as a 6 oz. glass of milk, with no troublesome phosphate load.)

IRON- Molasses/sorghum,dark green leafy vegetables, whole grains, legumes,
wheat germ, beets, barley, artichokes, beans, grains, dried apricots.

SELENIUM- Nutritional yeast, broccoli, cabbage, wheat germ, whole grains

ZINC- Nutritional yeast, onions, mushrooms, spinach, soybeans, wheat germ, sunflower seeds, whole grains (sprouted)


For healthy cell metabolism,blood,nerves, and muscle function, your body needs two "families" of vitamins, those that dissolve in water, and those that dissolve in oil("fat-soluble").

1. WATER-SOLUBLE VITAMINS are not stored in the body and must be supplied daily. They are: B-1 (Thiamine),B-2 (Riboflavin), B-6 (Pyridoxine), Biotin,
Choline,Folic Acid,Niacin,Other "B-complex" vitamins
(But see special note at bottom on B-12)

A plentiful supply of the B vitamins will be obtained by daily use of a good variety from all these food types: Green and leafy vegetables,Whole Grains,Legumes,Nutritional Yeast.

Vitamin C is found in Green and Leafy Vegetables; Fruits such as: Melons,Citrus(Oranges,Lemons,Grapefruit), Tomatoes, Berries.


Alfalfa Sprouts,Asparagus,Beans(green), Broccoli,Bok Choy,Brussel Sprouts,
Cabbage Family,Collards,Endive,Kale,Leaf Lettuce,Leeks,Mustard Greens,
Parsley,Romaine Lettuce,Spinach,Sprouts(Mung,Lentil,Sunflower,etc.),
Swiss Chard,Turnip Greens,etc.

2, FAT-SOLUBLE VITAMINS are stored in the body (notably in the liver), and are needed in the diet 3 to 5 times a week.

Vitamin A is made in the body from provitamin A abundantly supplied by yellow vegetables, especially carrots, as well as Corn,Pumpkin,Sweet Potato Rutabaga,and Squash: Acorn,Butternut,Hubbard,Spaghetti,Summer,etc.
Yellow Fruits such as Apricots,Peaches,and Tomatoes contain generous amounts, and- perhaps surprisingly- Green Leafy Vegetables(see list above) are some of the richest sources of provitamin A.

Vitamin E (and Essential Fatty Acids) are in Nuts and Seeds(Almonds,PeanutsSunflower Seeds,Sesame Seeds,etc.) and Whole Grains, and their Oils( Corn Oil,Linseed Oil,Safflower Oil,etc.)

Vitamin K is obtained through eating Green Leafy Vegetables.

Learn to make one or two dishes for breakfast(cereal,scrambled tofu,
oatmeal,etc.), for lunch (soup,salad,sandwiches), and for dinner (grain loaves, vegetables sautes,pastas with sauces, steamed greens and yellow vegetables) Use fruits, and baked goods for treats and desserts.

Start adding these foods to your daily eating habits and begin to have "vegan days" of complete animal-free meals. After several such days your body will begin to feel lighter and cleaner, you will start to develop favorite dishes and taste treats to look forward to, and you will find this is the style of eating that will bring you balanced health for a much longer and enjoyable life.

VITAMIN B-12 NOTE: Much unnecessary worry has been generated over "getting enough B-12". Vegans, who probably need less B-12 than omnivores, seldom, if ever, show signs of vitamin B-12 deficiency. They obtain their B-12 supplies on the surface of fresh vegetables, in B-12 enriched or fortified foods such as nutritional yeast,soy milk and cereals, and probably B-12 producing bacteria that live in their mouths and intestines.

Unlike other B vitamins, B-12 is stored in the body for long periods of time. However, because B-12 deficiency (though unlikely with balanced vegan nutrition)can be severe, vegans who do not use any of the above B-12 containing foods, should take supplements of B-12 occasionally. One 25 microgram tablet taken weekly, or crushing a few tablets and adding the powder to gravies,soy milks, salad dressings,etc., will make B-12 supplementation convenient for an individual or the whole family. Obtaining sufficient B-12 should never be rationale for eating meat,dairy,or other harmful and unnecessary animal products.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A wonderful way to support and encourage greater balance and peace in your life is to be more aware of the subtle, yet profound ways that food is affecting us and the world every day, on a physical, mental and emotional level.

For example, eating heavy, dense food can leave us feeling heavy and dense.

Eating more light and vibrant foods encourage us to feel light and more vibrant!

We make life much easier for ourselves on all levels when we give our body optimum foods that require a minimum of effort to digest whilst giving maximum possible nutrition and life-force.

The subject of nutrition is not simply a question of the food we eat at meals.

Besides nutrients, foods contain scents, colours and invisible particles that attract pure light, light that is so essential for our joyful life and well-being.

The choices we make are thus of great significance.

The difference between flesh-based and vegetarian foods lies in the amount of sunlight they contain.

Fruits and vegetables are so steeped in sunlight, that one could say they are a condensed form of light.

In order to develop the qualities of the heart, besides eating peacefully, consider eating consciously.

This means bringing in more light by eating foods full of concentrated light.

These foods contain the beautiful sounds that connect our hearts to the rhythms and invisible aspects of the Universe.

Your future depends on how you eat and what you eat.

Focusing on organic fresh fruits and vegetables that are in season is a way to connect to Nature and it's rhythms and cycles so that one may be in harmony with it.

Nature is an omnipresent guide and a reference to how human beings can live harmoniously on the planet.


All fresh, ripe fruit and vegetables (raw and local is ideal)

Sprouted seeds, grains and beans (e.g. sunflower seeds, quinoa, mung beans)

Sea Vegetables (e.g. spirulina, dulse, wakame, nori)

Superfoods (e.g. hemp seeds, goji berries, wheatgrass)

Cultured Foods (e.g. sauerkraut, tempeh, kefir)

Such a diet would exclude foods that deplete the body of light such as meat, fish, poultry, eggs and refined foods such as white sugar, white flour, deep frozen and/or processed foods.

Food manufacture is one of the most water intensive activities
in the world and it takes far less water to produce plants than
meat. A vegetarian diet helps to decrease water consumption
and pollution.

The vast amount of land used to raise animals is causing
environmental problems such as habitat destruction and
deforestation. Going vegetarian will halve the land-use of
your diet.

Your body is your temple and every action within the temple, done with conscious intention, creates a more harmonious outcome.

The secret to opening the treasure-house of food, is the love and compassion attained within your consciousness.

The treasure is the sun, condensed into particles, which we can send to all the centres in our bodies.

By choosing your foods consciously you break the cycle of action and reaction.

You become light in the world - dissolving unconsciousness in the light of your new way of eating.

You become a reflection of consciousness in a most pure form.

Thank you for your consideration.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a very complex subject and there's more than meets the eye. Veganism has become another popular belief system, and attachment to belief is what dumbs down our independent, critical thinking. So we can take kernels of truth where we find them, but we need to look at the many facets of this topic from the point of view of grounded principles, and without the emotional charge that usually goes along with discussions of food and diet.

Here's my article on dynamic nutrition, which talks about the subtle energy properties of meat and plant foods, and looks at what each actually do. There is no diet that is inherently right or wrong in a moral sense, except when we're attached to belief systems. But foods have particular properties, and our individual metabolisms operate in particular ways. To understand diet from this point of view, we can then make reasoned choices to determine what is really suitable for a particular individual.


Here are some preliminary thoughts just to introduce the topic of nutrition from a “dynamic” view, beyond the biochemical model.

Let’s start with something our inner wisdom already knows - there’s a real difference between a “living” food and its overcooked, pasteurized, microwaved, or industrially processed counterpart. The difference is chi; prana; orgone energy. But what needs to be examined is how that energy actually works to nourish us.

What we’re really extracting from foods is not the biochemical constituents, not chemistry but energy. At the cellular level, we can see that process as hydrogen transfer - that’s why pH (hydrogen potential) is so fundamental.

Foods that sustain life are like little packages of condensed energy. What we’re doing when we eat food is essentially breaking down and appropriating the energy of the food. These forces within the food are foreign until we take them in and overcome the foreign forces and make them our own. That process is mediated through heat, and that’s what digestion is really about.

How do we come to a rational understanding of nutrition?

The problem we run into in understanding how nutrition works is that we have the language of chemistry and the concepts of energy, and we tend to use whichever one is convenient, or try to mix them together randomly rather unconsciously. We might be comfortable talking about chi or life energy in a certain context, but when it comes to nutrition we tend to want to stick to the material view and explain things in terms of chemistry, because that’s the realm of sense perception and perhaps easier to look at.

Our organs of sense perception and our ordinary cognition is more developed than the more etheric, supersensible knowing, so we use what comes easier. But to be able to grasp the meaning of the flux and flow of function, we need to develop a more etheric thinking that can see the living properties of things beyond the material level. This is what has been called the Dynamic view.

The entities and substances we’re looking at aren’t static and fixed in time and space - in this view, eating a fresh raw vegetable might be functionally identical to a practice that generates chi. The intellect looking at the material chemistry would see a big difference! But functional thinking sees a distinction rather than a separation. It sees the continuity, the same underlying phenomenon.

We need a deeper physiological basis for bridging the gap between chemistry and energy. Otherwise we have a sort of schizophrenic split between on the one hand the mystical realm of energy, and on the other hand the materialistic realm of only what we can perceive with the senses.

So we have to look at energy in a way that can be grounded in the cellular structure. The way that nourishment functions, there’s an etheric process going on whereby we use radiant energy from the sun, indirectly through food, air and water, and generate internal light. There’s actually a physiology of this inner light metabolism.

This is a true physiology that’s about the deeper functioning of forces and energies which drive the biochemistry. (Rudolf Steiner laid out this understanding clearly, although extracting it from his writing is quite a workout!)

Getting back to nutrition, there’s a critical difference between “living” foods and processed foods. “Living” water such as artesian well water could be assayed biochemically and found similar to other forms of purified or spring water. But looking at it biophysically, it’s been seen that the living water will enhance the function of cellular hydration, because of its crystalline structure, whereas processed water doesn’t. The materialistic view will just see all water as functionally equal, and focus on the presence of material toxins as making the difference.

We can sense the difference in food and water that has a lot of life energy - they feel better and taste better. That sensing is through supersensible organs, not sense organs, and isn’t measurable in the same way, but it’s no less real. Even if we’re not yet conscious of how we’re using those supersensible organs, we still know that there is something more behind the outer structure of things. No matter how microscopically we might analyze it, there’s some living quality apart from that, which we resonate with.

We can see on the biophysical level what happens when we remove the life energy from food and water. Industrial processing destroys the inherent crystalline structure which is the key to the life-giving property of food. Crystals transfer information, so at that level it’s really the information - consciousness - that we’re internalizing by taking in nutrients. Generate your own inner light, and live in truth, and you may not need to be concerned about ingesting living foods!

Although, then we’d be guided by the higher spiritual function of Reason, and resonance which is based in love would solve the problem of what to eat.

Most of us are still in the process of transforming our relationships based on attraction (potato chips, yum!) to those based on resonance. When we eat heavily processed food which is attractive but doesn’t resonate, it becomes like a dead weight, an energy drain. Animals fed on microwaved food for a month starved, although they had access to as much quantity of food as they wanted.

Some processes like culturing foods or natural fermentation or sprouting actually enhance the crystalline structure and bring out life energy especially when it’s dormant in seeds, and that’s why traditional cultures have always used those methods - they knew the benefits instinctively if not consciously.

Seen from this perspective, living foods like raw milk from healthy animals have little in common with their commercial counterparts. When we hear about the problem with milk, it’s about the commercial, pasteurized dead material that’s sold as milk, not the live food that it was to begin with.

Those live foods are suited to us, because the biophysical function of those foods promotes inner light and life. Then we need to determine whether a particular food is resonant with our particular typology - according to various typology systems like ayurveda, metabolic typing, glandular typing, etc., and take various other factors into account to put together a proper diet.

But aside from individual needs, we need to understand the functional reality behind nutrition. Let’s look at the way that carbs are stored as fat when we don’t need any more for biological function. We assume that we’ve simply eaten too much or the wrong proprortions of macronutrients. Or we look at smaller and smaller units of biochemical substances and relationships to try to explain what’s going on.

But digestion and metabolism has a supersensible function in the astral body, which is prior to all that. The breakdown of food is a function of the astral body. When the astral isn’t proprely engaged, even a diet that looks perfectly suitable to the person in theory, won’t be handled properly. (the Kidney is involved in this astral function of properly transforming food and generating inner light).

The astral takes us to the soul level, so this is how we can begin to bridge the gap between body and soul - they are really a functional polarity, which is not just an abstract concept but something that we can ground in actual physiology.

What are the real principles that determine whether a vegetarian or meat diet is appropriate for a particular person?

The choice to eat meat or not is an emotionally charged issue for most people, and it taps into deeply held beliefs. But we can look at it from a dynamic view.

Plants contain etheric forces which are easy to assimilate, whereas animals contain more astral forces which require more energy to break down. This doesn’t mean that we should always go the easier route and eat only plants!

And depending on how the animal was raised, the quality of the astral forces will be different, hence animals raised on pasture and killed properly will yield more digestible food than factory farmed animal foods. And it will ground us in the body, which creates an important balance for many people.

So the choice depends on the dynamic physiology of the individual and which functions they need to stimulate and strengthen.

Animal foods are grounding, and good for a person whose “upper” bodies (ego and astral) need to be grounded in the lower metabolic pole. For those who need the grounding and incarnating properties of animal foods, a more vegetarian diet even if done meticulously with the highest quality foods can be profoundly weakening.

A more vegetarian diet frees the consciousness from the earth pole, which is why it’s favored in certain spiritual traditions. When the upper bodies are too deeply incarnated in the earth forces and need to be freed up, then a vegetarian diet is appropriate. Often the diet a person needs will change from time to time according to these functional changes; particular health challenges presenting at a particular time; typlogies such as blood type, metabolic type, body/glandular type, etc.

For example, one person's metabolism will take a particular food and create acidity from it; another person's metabolism will create alkalinity by eating the very same food! This is why it's so important that diet choices be individualized.

Another aspect of this issue is that animal foods with their higher astrality challenge us to bring our own digestive forces to bear to strip away the foreign astrality. If the ego/astral forces are weak, it can be difficult for the person to break down those astral forces in the food, and the foreign forces lead to food allergies and immune problems. Eating animal foods raw instead of cooked can mitigate this problem to some extent, as the raw food contains more etheric forces that are easily assimmilable.

Vegetarian diets are in this sense less challenging especially if the person doesn’t have strong ego/astral forces. But less of a challenge isn’t always what we need - it’s the challenge itself that strengthens the upper forces. We want to provide just enough stimulation for the activation and development of our own forces, but not so much as to overwhelm our resources, just as a good teacher finds that balance with a student in any learning situation.

When you’re sick, you want to concentrate on the etheric and not challenge yourself too much with breaking down the astral forces of higher protein foods, so you can take meat broths and the raw foods that are more easily assimmilable.

And so ends this brief introduction to a profound and vast field of study. I find it fascinating and challenging as it exercises the etheric thinking function, which is not an easy task!

Recommended reading:

Water and Salt: The Essence of Life, by Dr. Barbara Hendel
Nutrition: Food, Health, and Spiritual Development, by Rudolf Steiner
Dynamic Regimen and Nutrition Counseling
Individualized counseling for nutrition and natural healing:
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

been reading all these health links and probably coulda posted this is a few others but this is an excellent thread and most pertinent. Dr. clive backster is a scientist/researcher who discovered and proved actual consciousness of plants.
quick intro into his beginning eureka moment (penicilin, lsd, etc) while doing experiments on the energy (via ekg) of different plants undergoing stimulation something strange happened. He had the idea to destroy a plant that was hooked up to the ekg in order the see when and what the electrical reaction was. At that moment the ekg went crazy, increasing in magnitude for a second, and then crashing into a flatline.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent discussion. I have been eating 90% raw vegan for close to 9 months and feel fantastic. The key to this diet is first understanding that the soils are depleted of minerals. Thus the plants are depleted, even if healthy. So we need more. The other point is that cooked foods lose much nutrition.To get this much nutrition we need to concentrate and save energy. That's where the blender comes in. It is amazing how much food can go into a green smoothie. No chewing, just swishing in mouth to mix with saliva. Chewing takes energy. Breaking down protiens from animal sources into amino acids takes extra energy. We cannot use protien, only the amino acids. For instance a piece of french bread with butter may be in some cases energy negative.
I urge everyone to start with one smoothie a day. Begin with fruity ones and start adding more greens every day. Spinach is easy and not to strong tasting. Balance the fats, carbs, and protiens. But please do your homework on this first to understand balance and which foods work together.
Result- I drink a smoothie from a large bottle on the way to work and the coffee urge just went away. Not to say I don't enjoy coffee. It went from 4-5 cups a day to 1 or 2 and those are at work. At home I rarely drink it anymore to the point of not even keeping coffee cream. It will go bad before use.
One other thing to keep in mind is body ph. Start eliminating processed foods. That includes baked goods (donuts Yumm...) that are mucus forming. Cut back on meat, eggs and dairy. Mucus forming and generally acidifying. By doing this your bowel will begin shedding dangerous mucoid plaque and your liver will thank you.
Bottom line is that every bit of transition helps you to feel strong all day, and health problems start to clear up.
I met someone who mentored me who has been doing this for 20 years. And a good book helped a lot. Brendan Braziers' "The Thrive Diet" is #1.
I hope this adds to understanding
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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