Divine Providence vs. Free Will

 
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 5:01 am    Post subject: Divine Providence vs. Free Will Reply with quote

Q.- Does divine providence reveal foreknowledge of all conterfactuals of freedom after creation? If so is libertarian free-will illusory?

I found this question at:
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Divine_Providence
Here is my humble attempt at an answer.

So if life were a stage play, and God the Director,
we are all given a script, but we still get to improvise
and ad-lib. When the big stage directions, (miracles),
are given by the man upstairs, a good performer will
take those directions.

Someone like a Tibetan Master, or Silent Monk, or Apache Scout,
who is totally dialed in to the Spirit World 24/7, is getting
stage directions all the time. Someone else, who has chosen to isolate
themselves from the Spirit World, may receive little or no stage directions.
The rest of us are in between, sometimes seeing glimpses of
miracles, and sometimes distracted or self absorbed.

So if Divine Providence trumps free will, is free will an illusion?
Yes, because free will brings about karmic implications, hence DP.
You help someone who needs it, you both feel good, DP wins.
You use free will, choose not to help, you both feel bad, DP wears on you.
That will eventually lead to either you helping someone next time, or
continuing to isolate yourself from the spirit, which may hasten the demise of your
physical body, but your soul will continue into another body, which
will have a better chance at manifesting DP than the current one.
This is Divine Providence at work.

When humans ignore DP so much that they lose their path, they become suicidal consciously or sub-consciously. In fact the relationship between your conscious and your sub-conscious is exactly like the relationship between free will and Divine Providence. You can play around in your conscious mind all day, but at night, and eventually into your days, your sub-conscious will prevail. You can use your free will and ignore DP,
but when you help others or share love, Divine Providence prevails.

So if free will seems to trump DP, it is only a temporary illusion that may
last a week or maybe even an entire lifetime. But most people, even if they have used
their free will to ignore DP their entire lifetime, when they are on their deathbed,
they inevitably say, "I should have spent more time with"... kids, spouses, or other loved ones. In other words, sharing love, which is a manifestation of Divine Providence.

Let's say Saturday night John drinks a bottle of Tequila, and is very rude to Jane.
John chose to exercise his free will. Where was Divine Providence?
Perhaps DP was there, but Jane missed some signs.
Perhaps Jane will learn from this, seek another path, and find her destiny through DP.
Or perhaps Jane will exercise her free will and get even Sunday morning.
So in that house, free will may trump DP, for awhile,
but DP would just look down the street for awhile for another chance to
display a miracle to guide a more aware woman or man into manifesting DP.
Divine Providence will always win, free will is an illusion, but how long you
maintain that illusion is totally up to you.
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Warriorpoet3,

My understanding of what you call divine providence vs freewill is that we have a choice in either acepting divine help such as from my OverSoul my point of Contact within God-Mind the only controling Intelligence of all realities both physical and nonphysical within itself.

You are given the freewill choice either to go it alone and do your own thing or became more intimate with your Divine Master Intelligence or OverSoul which is your non-physical parent that is the master switchboard of God-Mind energies as well as your point of contact with the mind of God. OverSoul is an interface from God-Mind with all the attributes of God-Mind but with lesser Energy and lesser intelligence but very powerfull what it knows since it can handle so much more of the Infinite God-Mind then we Humans can. OverSoul then distributes and send out life streams into all infinite realities of itself being in part such as our self and other members of itself. These life streams are all not of the human species but could be things and forms we can't even begin to Imagine, understand or comprehend from the human perspective. Nor from the human perspective can we ever judge these creations within the mind of God-Mind as either evil or good since to us they may be but from the perspective of God-Mind all things within itself are always nuetral. The victim and the oppressor a nuetral condition is established within God-Mind itself.

The paradox of God-Minds existance is very perplexing to the mind of humans as well as God-Mind itself. His thoughts are passed even down to us in his quest to know who and what it is since from its examination of its infinite realm it has not been able find any other like itself alone with itself throughout enternity pondering the question who and what am I. So as God-Mind is thinking these thoughts on a grand scale a terrific explosion of its creative self infinitely expands within itself into infinite realms of every possibility. We also ask the very same question not our own but God-Minds original thought who am I and what am I. It knows it was never created nor born. It is what ancient religions were atempting to explain to people all the way back to Atlantis and the original Lyraen Star Empire that once existed at the center of our Galaxy. Most of our Religions have been infiltrated and distorted and are means the controllers use as tool to control people who control and claim ownership of this Planet we call Earth. God-Mind has not no need for religion nor is it required. They are our Oppressors as well as our teachers who balance us the Soul personalities who unknowingly play the Victim to establish this Nuetral balance within God-Mind. Enventually both parties both the oppresor will learn to correct each other so in effect at some point in our journey harmony will be achieved with the same Nuetrality with God-Mind of always being Nuetral as it has throughtout enternity.

My OverSoul as all other OverSouls Sends out life streams of life into both the physical and nonphysical realites simultaneously in both the past, present and future as well other realities. Although Time and Space as well as Separation are Illusions created by God-Mind via its various OverSouls that that send out streams of somewhat more compartmentalized life streams then others. Our physical realities of existance is very compartmentalized for the express purpose of God-Mind Learning about itself in ways that trancends our understanding of existance since all it thoughts are self aware creations that are simultaneous and happen without no delay.

In true reality God-Mind can never separate from itself but merely creates the illusion for itself to experiance and explore many infinite things about who and what it is. But down here in Physical reality it is somewhat slow. In the Astral a bit quicker response to the mind. In a region called HyperSpace where God-Mind exist where no-illusions exist such as time or space or separatness. God-Minds every thoughts come into existance without delay. For humans to experiance the infinite intensity of God-Minds thoughts connected directly to humanities mind would in this physical world would send you to the mental ward or result in death because of the stress it has on the body.

There will come a time when you will you will feel more connected to your OverSoul and God-Mind via a Kundalini event that will happen naturally but it can never ever be forced if you your self is not prepared both mentally and physically for Kundalini. A full Blown Kundalini will cause insainity and Death if you are not ready. This is mainly what the goal is in most mystery schools who run you ragged through some of the most nighmarish trials to determine if you are ready to be illuminatied via kundalini which is a mechanism built into the genetics for the human race and maybe some other Species as well for its own salvation.

So in that sense we have the proper interfaces that keep this from happening. So over OverSoul is our point of Contact. Since we are replication of OverSoul we too have all the Attributes of God-Mind meaning we are complete. We are on a grand mission in behalf of God-Mind via Our OverSoul. No I am not God-Mind itself in its totality but one of the many aspects of itself sent forth to know more about itself. I also have all its attributes as we all have of itself within ourselves. We in essence as Soul Personalities experiencing human existance have the potential become more and more selfaware of our connection with God-Mind and our OverSoul as a result would have almost near infinite abilities that would astound human conciousness.

So when you make your choice in not accepting God-Minds or OverSoul Directions which is allowed you get to do it the hard way and its going to be a very painfull journey or if you decide you would like guidance and seek to align your will with God-Mind or OverSoul then life will be smooth but still bumpy sometimes when you get off track in regard to what your OverSoul sees as in your best interest even though its best interest will seem contradictory to your own wishes or path you wish to take. Both OverSoul and God-MInd are Nuetral and allow all things to happen regardless how we humans feel since we are part of the equation in regard to using that created part of God-Mind that exist within ourselves.

I heard the reason of why we are here is that we are reckless in using our minds and need physical reality as a mirror to learn how to be more responsible in the way we use our many attributes of God-Mind to create. As Soul Personalities experiencing and becoming the actors on the Human stage we are here to learn what havoc our thoughts as inocent as they may seem to us can manifest on the physical based on soley what we think. Since I am told nothing is wasted in God-Mind and all thoughts we create will be utlized somewhere within itself in another reality other then our own Physical reality. For instance you could wish that you could kill somebody that you hate so much. You may not do it in this reality since this type energy is thick and will attract negative things to you that will make you regret it thinking that thought. The person may just die as a result of your minds desire. In another reality another part of yourself will likely kill that person and its effects will ripple throughout many different realitys that you in the end will be responsible for at some point will maybe become the experiencer in another life stream of murdering that person in the most sickening way making your existance in that life more nightmarish then the previous life stream you were living unless you forgive that person that you wish you could kill in this life and release them by pass this up to OverSoul to deal with since you are not required to ponder this negative thought once you learned from its lesson of forgiving that person that you felt hurt by. God-Mind and all OverSouls that exist are nuetral they simply do not judge things like we humans do nor do they stop what has been created by you or someone else. It is allowed to play out to its conclusions good or bad. Within God-Mind all Solutions to lifes problems we now face have all have be resolved within God-Mind.

Stewart Swerdlow mentioned in his book "Blue Blood, True Blood, Conflict and Creation" that there was particular Crystal Skull created by an E.T. group that was primarily non-physical decided to leave a repository of knowledge for those who evolved enough to understand it. These muscular beings were tall with golden-bronze skin, golden hair and violet eyes. On an etheric level, this E.T. created an object that contained within it the sum total of knowledge of the Mind of God as they knew it. They also Programed this object with the history of the Universe and all technology that would ever be necessary.

This E.T. group left the Crystal Skull with the first Lyraen/Atlantean Civilization where it was placed in a temple pyramid to be energized by the Lyraen/Atlanteans over many aeons of time.

Those who were in power managed to acquire the orginal Crystal Skull and attempted to use it for negative purposes, not realizing that this magnified and reflected back all of their evil deeds and intentions. In addition, the Crystal Skull was created in such a way that what ever is thought in its presence reflects back, becomming a part of the thinker's experiance. The Crystal Skull teaches that the physical universe mirrors thoughts.

To acces certain information within the Crystal Skull you have to activated it using the highest form of communication that is base and universal language of all beings in existance within God-Mind which is the trinity of color, tone, and achetypes which are hyperdimensional. By uisng certain combinations of color, tone and achetypes in the presence of Crystall Skull will open the storhouse of info to those who are requesting maybe the history of this Universe. When we are using are mind we are automatically generating this language of color, tone, and achetypes. Depending what we are thinking will create the hyper diamensional achetypes of particular colors and a frequency that is unique to that thought alone. I think even anyone is able to stand before one of these original or copies of one by using ones thoughts the Crystal Skull will activate under the right conditions and with the right intent will generate a stream in the language of God-Mind with the Knowledge that we seek that our Brain would percieve as telepathic thought from the Crystall Skull.

As all Soul Personalities on this planet earth have a common theme is one of Victimization like we have no control over our lives and feel helpless. It seems like things happen to us without reason and we call foul no fair and start rationalizing or blaming things or people for our present problems. We are made to forget by the controllers that controll us but no it is not their fault it is we who wish to forget since we get what we wish for.

Stewart was talking in one of his videos how people can contact dolphins by using a basic symbol which looked like two concentric circles with a dot in the middle with three sine waves not overlaping but underneath the Concentric circles with a dot in the middle. He was telling people to visualize this symbol at their pineal gland in the color of royal blue which is also a chakra color for their area of the body as well as access code for hyperspace. He said sometimes the dolphins don't want you to connect with them. He said look at the eyes and see what color they are. He latter explained to people if you connected to Dolphins and their eyes are red it is their way of saying get the hell out of here or you will be discovered. He explained that these dolphins are mind controlled using technology since they can not be mind controlled like humans can be.

The red color in hyperspace stewart say if its intense red means anger and this is what he was saying about the color of the eyes of the mind controled Dolphins being controled by technology and monitored by Iluminati Scientist. He said even though these dolphins were in distress they had good intention in keeping you from harm. Since Steward said it would be wise to move your projected energy from those dollphins since the presence of your energy would be detected and you would be tracked and delt with. He said the main function of Dolphins is to protect the Merr People half dolphin and human due to the Atlanteans attempts to create a bridge of good will and better relations between themselves and the dolphins via the Atlantean genetic creations of Dolphins and Human DNA. Dolphins are much more intelligent then Humans and view their bodies as vehicles to get around and have non of the hangups that humans have about dieing and said dolphins will use their bodies by beach themselves to warn humans you are going to die if you don't leave that land mass. They know something is up about a Earth Shaking or Cataclysmic event for the area is about to happen soon. Even though it is illegal to be in close proximity for to long a duration with dolphins since you have to be monitored with the all seeing eye of the controllers of course they will let you walk into a cage full of angry lions but you enter at your own peril if the lions wish to eat you. Stewart says dolphins rely heavily on the language of Hyperspace and when they make the noise they make is mainly used as a means of Sonar to help them navigate the dark ocean water they find themselves in. Stewart was saying when the Illuminati controled scientist are communicating with the dolphins it is via these Hyerspace symbols. When they show them a series of Hyperspace symbols to them they immediatly under stand and perform the task. Usually these researchers can form sentences using the Hyperspace language of color, tone and achetypes and the dolphins understand. The Human Languages we here are using is a very low form of communication compared to the universal language of HyperSpace of God-Mind.


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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

god-mind is a he?
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 6:06 am    Post subject: God Minds Reply with quote

Who cares if the God-Mind is a he/she/it/they/us?

Here's my take. Last night I watched a series of videos on reality and how a mere thought (which is supposed to be faster than light) manifests into reality here on the Earth plane. To keep it short: Everyone has free-will and access to `God`. As far as the `bad thoughts` are concerned, that's supposed to be quarantined, according to the video, somehow and here on Earth. Nothing exists without Divine Providence essentially.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pikpik i was being facetious, i find it ridiculous to categorize 'god' in a gender.


anyway tho...

were those videos online? id like to check them out, seems very interesting.
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 8:06 pm    Post subject: Thanks for replies Reply with quote

Thanks to all who attempted to answer a difficult question.
After reading your replies, i am led to -
If our planet is to ascend to a 4th or 5th dimension, where
meditating on things will bring them to manifestation, the
folks who think about life and the living will flourish, and those
who dwell on predation and death will manifest that destiny
via their subconscious in their own unique way.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is some truth, warriorpoet!
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