the ms orgone question

goldenergy · Member Joined: 15 May 2006 Posts: 1 Location: Poland

On the wm board, in the the Q and A section, the MS thread caught my attention. If mercury from whatever source is causing the MS, wouldn't some form of chelation therapy clean out the toxin and offer some relief?

Just a thought...

I'm not actually registered there so i posted here. Hopefully those concerned reads both boards. hope that helps keith

karen · Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:41 am Post subject:

MS is more complex than a simple toxicity problem. Actually it's just an allopathic disease label, and doesn't say anything about the cause of the disease, and there can be many diseases involved in MS symptoms.

Mercury is one common problem, but only a small percentage of people exposed to mercury develop symptoms of MS, so it can't be a simple cause-effect relationship. Often what happens in many conditions including autism is that the shock of vaccination is a trauma that triggers a latent miasm (predisposition to disease), and then the disease becomes full-blown. So it's not only the mercury in vaccinations that's a problem but the shock of the vacccination itself.

People have different predispositions, different constitutions, and different breaking points where a trauma or toxin will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. So all these factors enter in to how a toxin or trauma will be handled. Some people have weaker constitutions that can't carry a heavy load of trauma, so you have to strengthen the constitution too.

Also in order to resolve a problem like MS you have to look at deeper emotional issues and what is the deeper struggle in the person's life that is being played out in these symptoms. Often the body will hold onto toxins despite the best detox methods, until the emotional issue associated with it is resolved.

I see so many people who do all kinds of intense detox regimes and still can't get well, because they haven't addressed the deeper issues. And often detox alone without putting it in proper context can actually be weakening.

-Karen
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rockdude · Member Joined: 16 May 2006 Posts: 0 Location: London

I have heard evidence on the net from 2 diverse sources about that pathology and both of them stated very clearly that the source of it is a variant of the brucelosis bacteria.
This needs to be pondered carefully.
If it is caught in early stages it can be stopped cold by the older family of tetracycline drugs which are bacteriastatic.
The other thing that was said is that this thing was cooked up on purpose and women were the targets. Very sad and evil. I believe there is still some information on Slim Spurlings websight on this subject. I knew someone that this happened to and she refused to believe that my suggestion was of any value, and there was in fact time. What ensued is major degeneration and disability. It is heartbreaking.

karen · Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:16 pm Post subject:

Hi Starcat,

I think this is another example of a false polarity, where we're only seeing two possibilities - either the draconian antibiotics or living with degenerative disease. If those are the only two choices, then of course you choose the lesser of two evils, and I can understand choosing antibiotics in that context. But I think this is coming from a limited understanding of the nature of disease and cure.

My view on this comes from the Heilkunst system, which has proven itself not only in the final results, but because I simply can't find any flaws in the principles it's based on. When I look at the germ theory, it doesn't hold up in many cases.

The microbes are correlated but not causative - they certainly show up on the scene, but only because there is already existing disease that resonates on that frequency. In a sense, people get sick only because they're already sick.

The symptoms are simply the attempt on the part of the life force to throw off the disease entity, only it spins its wheels and can't get itself out of the rut. Then the symptoms which are the body's attempt to heal, actually become part of the disease process, and the whole thing keeps escalating.

There are some truly infectious diseases, but the chronic diseases are largely not infectious. It's the dialectic once again, showing us a false polarity that leads us to the solution of suppressive drugs. Even more benign ways of killing microbes, like zappers, are only killing the messenger and not pulling up the disease by its roots.

They're useful to remove some of the heavy microbial load and relieve some symptoms, and that's fine, but they can't act on the disease entities which have altered the biological terrain thereby inviting the microbes that like those conditions.

We're also not accounting for the fact that microbes function as cleanup crew and help to rebuild damaged tissue. This is clearly described by Dr. Ryke Geerd Hamer, and I've summarized his work here:

http://www.guideforselfhealing.com/2006/06/18/series-the-new-medicine- of-dr-hamer/

We generally don't need to work on getting rid of microbes before their real reason for being there has been removed, because they simply return, as they're actually part of the healing phase of the disease process. Not to say that you just boost this healing process, as most natural healing methods do, because the healing function alone isn't curative. There is also an important curing process that needs to be introduced, healing and curing being distinct processes. This is something that Dr. Hahnemann describes clearly, in terms of the dual nature of the life force.

(See "Healing vs Curing", http://www.guideforselfhealing.com/2006/06/18/healing-vs-curing )

Of course if a bacterial infection is imminently life-threatening, you have to take anti-pathic measures and kill the messengers in the short run. But usually people have time to work more efficiently without having to use suppressive treatment that removes the symptoms by pushing the disease entity deeper into the system.

What the false polarity isn't accounting for is that there is treatment that destroys the underlying disease entities, without suppressing symptoms, without introducing iatrogenic disease that weakens the vital force even further, as antibiotics do.

But you have to look at the real diseases that gave rise to those symptoms, look at the deeper emotional and spiritual conflict the person is expressing through the disease, and help support the resolution of the conflict according to laws of nature.

If I knew of any other system that did that more effectively than Heilkunst, I'd be on it in a flash, but so far I don't Smile

Karen
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bluespruce · Member Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 16 Location: california

In the early l970s, near Boston, fisherman had a higher incidence of MS than normal poppulation. Also had a close friend (also a diabetic), male, who developed MS. One of the aunts was diagnosed in the early l960s. Current diagnostics on a young man in LA identify brain lesions/white matter in additioin to symptomology: any way you look at it MS is generally horrific in its consequences. I've also known a woman who was diagnosed in the l980s, and has remained virtually sympton-free since...she's incredibly centered and strong. This is not a one-size fits all disease. The causative may be something along the lines of prions, resulting in spongiform encephalitis (mad cow), or Creutzfield-Jacob.

If a terminator helps someone with MS, then good. With a weakened immune system (and in her comments, Karen is correct), an MS person might likely have parasites which would further weaken the system. So use a terminator as an adjunct therapy. The mind-body
connection can and does heal.

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